Sweeps, Submissions, and Survival
Welcome back to the last Boy Scouts podcast, Danny. How are you doing?
Danny:I'm good, man.
Tyler:We took a week off.
Danny:We did. Yeah. We took I think it's been 2 weeks. Right? Yeah.
Danny:2 weeks we've had, since we were able to record. It's kinda weird, like, when, I think we've talked about this before. Your your situation with the kids Yeah. And and, like, my situation with my work schedule Yeah. Sometimes doesn't coincide with, like, we have a plan to record on these certain days because it just works out better.
Danny:Yeah. And then if that if if anything throws a wrench in it, my work schedule Yeah. The kids being back and the kids being in school.
Tyler:Right. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard. This is very much, a shade tree enterprise here.
Tyler:As much as I love doing it, like, we want it to become something like, this is very grassroots site. You you know? Yeah. We have this amazing studio, but those people that don't know, it's just like a green screen down here in our image space. Yeah.
Tyler:And we get it to look cool because we're we're cool, and we figured out how to how to do the technical things to make it look professional and and sound professional. Right?
Danny:Yeah. And and, we had every intention of working out of the bus today. Yeah. We we had to address it from there because, man, it's like, it was cool because it was cloud to cloud lightning
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Which to me is, like, some of the coolest stuff because it goes cloud to cloud. Cloud to ground is like normal. But when you get cloud to cloud
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:That means it's got some energy.
Tyler:So question. Because you like, do you work actually in the tower tower?
Danny:No. I work in the radar portion. So the tower is above us and then
Tyler:the radar portion.
Danny:So I
Tyler:was wondering, like, do you ever, like, get that kind of view, like, when you're in the tower tower portion of that that kind of I wish.
Danny:I've never worked in a tower before. I I was thinking today, like, do I have the ambition to go to the tower for a little while? My work has been insane, dude. Like, kinda like what we're gonna talk about today, but, like, a lot of, like, turmoil, a lot of fighting, fighting, a lot of, like, bickering.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And I don't deal well with that. I'll kinda get a little bit further into that. But, yeah, I was thinking today, would I like to go to the tower because they have windows?
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:But here's the thing. During the earthquake, the towers are earthquake proof. Oh. Right? So I don't know if you know what that means, but it means that they can sway
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:A certain amount. And it was it's like 5 to 6 feet of sway. At the base, 5 to 6 feet, not that much.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:At the top, 5 to 6 feet is like moving. And from what I understand, during the earthquake, they were swaying, and they could see the cars on the ground Oh. Back and forth. Yeah. A couple guys were like Wow.
Danny:A couple people were like, that was a little
Tyler:in Little little scary. Little scary.
Danny:We have high winds, you know, in Salt Lake in the valley. And so, like, they'll tell me, like, it'll be up there and you're swaying. You you you know you're swaying.
Tyler:That's crazy.
Danny:And, I don't know if I could go with that.
Tyler:Yeah. That would be a bit intense. That would be a bit intense. What's the difference in the job?
Danny:Like, what are the what is the so we kind of talked about it before, but, like, if you have an upside down wedding cake
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:So the bottom portion would be, like, 5 miles. That's the airport. The movement areas, all of the taxiways, the runways, all of the any of the airplanes or the vehicles that do on the taxiways. Okay. That's the tower.
Danny:Then the next layer would be 60 mile radius, and that's, approach control, which is what I do. And we bring them to, you know, 5 miles, take them from 60 to 5 miles, put them in a line, or take them off the airport, turn them to where they're gonna go.
Tyler:Okay.
Danny:And then there's a bigger layer that controls, like, all like, it's multiple states, but it's, like, 20,000 to, like, god. Oh, wow. You know? And they're they're controlling those guys. And so me, I'm in the middle part.
Danny:It's all I've ever done in my life. I when I was in the military, I did some, range control stuff, which was like dog fighters. You know, the planes go out, chase each other, do drops, pretend like they're they're a real world, activity. Okay.
Tyler:And that
Danny:was kinda cool, but, yeah. So the tower guys but they have the best view. They're the greatest view. When you go up to the tower, dude, and it is you can see from Salt Lake to past Brigham City, and you can see past Provo.
Tyler:Wow.
Danny:You can see past, the the the the big, big smoke stacks going out west. Yeah. Yeah. You can see Pasquale. Like, Tooele that area.
Danny:Yeah. Over that area, Tooele, and then you can see, like, Parleys Canyon. You could see up in that area. That's crazy. Greatest view.
Danny:It's 260 feet above the ground is their is their view. 360 degrees.
Tyler:That's crazy.
Danny:It's amazing, dude. That's cool. I I just don't know, you know, if I have that.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I I I mean, you know, like, sometimes you don't know if you have vertigo? Yeah. Like, vertigo is a real thing. Vertigo is like, inner ear Yeah. Stuff, and you kinda get dizzy when you're up on a on a tall hill.
Danny:I'm not afraid of heights or anything, but there are times when I'm like, woah.
Tyler:When I'm imagine if you've gotten sick and you've gotten that kind of dizziness, like, you're probably more susceptible
Danny:to hearing vertigo. So Yeah. Have you ever had vertigo?
Tyler:I I've definitely felt dizzy. I don't know that I've had, like, actual vertigo.
Danny:Yeah. Vertigo. Like, I Vertigo is insane. Yeah. I bet.
Danny:Vertigo is, inner ear. Yeah. You know how when they say you lost your marbles? Yeah. It's actual marbles.
Danny:Oh, really? It's crystal marbles that get discombobulated, and, they're out of whack. So they go in, like I mean, think about, like, a sequential order. Yeah. They go in a sequential order.
Danny:And when they are not in order and they're out of whack, you've lost your marbles. And so you can go to a doctor, and he'll do these crazy things to your neck and then, put your marbles back in line.
Tyler:That's crazy.
Danny:Yeah. A lot of times it happens to MMA fighters. People get punched in the head a little bit. If you have a concussion Get
Tyler:your bell rung too much?
Danny:My mom has it. Okay. And it's debilitating. Can't get out can't stand up
Tyler:because Yeah.
Danny:Yeah. You stand up, busy. Yeah. So you have to lay there. Yeah.
Danny:And then, you know, have somebody take you to the doctor Yeah. To get your marbles put back, and we always tease her that Yeah. Yeah. You remember Hook?
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:When he's looking for his marbles?
Tyler:His marbles.
Danny:Tell my mom that, oh, she's looking for her marbles. She's looking for her marbles. Oh, we found them.
Tyler:That's too funny.
Danny:Yeah, dude. So, what you been doing? What you been up to?
Tyler:Man. Okay. So, yeah, really getting the kids back to school. It's been weird. My oldest went back up to Utah State.
Tyler:She's had a little bit of a Crisis of consciousness of what she wants to do. One I'm super proud of her, like, without a doubt, the way she set herself up, she's ahead of everybody. So the fact that as her 2nd year in school, she's not just taking general ed. She's like actually taking courses towards her her her, degree.
Danny:Oh, cool.
Tyler:She's now but now she's like, okay. I have to be serious. Like, I don't wanna go down one particular path and realize that, like, hey. I actually don't like this. And she just found out today that, there's only, like, a 4% retention rate of people who go through her, program that actually stay in that program and do what that program trains you to do.
Tyler:And she's like, everybody else, like, leaves in after 4 years.
Danny:Woah.
Tyler:And she's like, I don't know. Like, that to me is a huge red flag on Saudi. So she's going to meet with her counselor, to to determine, like, what does she want to do. Wow. You know, obviously, she does like, she feels called to be you know, work with special needs, children.
Tyler:And and so, you know, I don't know what she'll end up doing if she'll end up going the ed route, like getting becoming a teacher and then just doing a specialization with special ed. But I think as far as her moving off of the speech pathology that she wanted to do,
Danny:she should talk to Grant's wife. Yeah. She just got hired at Park City High School for the special Oh, really? Education and, big Dan, blue belt Dan.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:He's over that program.
Tyler:Oh, really?
Danny:Yeah. 2 people in our community that Yeah. Could maybe give her some advice of, like, what to do.
Tyler:Right. Yeah. I I that those are definitely people we should reach out to.
Danny:That should get, like, a wide brand of
Tyler:That's what I'm saying. Like, because she's, like, doing stuff, and she's like, well, maybe I consider, like, social work and, like, she's like, I could be, like, an in in school, like, the psychologist for in school. I'm like, you know, like, now is the time to kinda figure it out. You have a little bit of time. Right?
Tyler:You're ahead.
Danny:So Yeah. I talked to her over the just so when she's home for the break, and I was, like, surprised. You always are surprised when you see the kids Yeah. That you've known for a moment, and you're like, oh, that kid's matured a tiny bit. You know?
Danny:Yeah. Like, she's, like, matured when she was talking to me. A lot of times, like, kids, especially, like, they'll have a conversation with you, but they won't create eye contact. They'll be able to, like, talk to you in passing. Yeah.
Danny:And she was able she was, like, engaging with conversation with me, and I was like, I'll look at Brynn. Yeah. I know. I was stoked for her.
Tyler:Yeah. So other than that, like, just, you know, they opened a new office down in Lehi, so I've been traveling down there a little bit. We did take the kids for a little camping trip, but we did just pull the rooftop tent off the Bronco.
Danny:You did?
Tyler:And, getting ready for wintertime.
Danny:Yeah. Where did you guys go? Lava?
Tyler:We went up to Lava. We went up to Bear Lake up in Northern Utah.
Danny:Oh, cool.
Tyler:And then
Danny:It's a great area.
Tyler:Lava. Like, it's great. Like, great long weekend.
Danny:Yeah. That was awesome.
Tyler:You know?
Danny:Flowed the river?
Tyler:Yeah. We floated
Danny:the river.
Tyler:A little tight with all 3 of us in the rooftop tent, but we did it. We did it.
Danny:Ben and Cozy slept up top with you.
Tyler:With me.
Danny:Oh, wow.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:Ben's getting tall, so it's gonna be
Tyler:It wasn't terrible, but, like, definitely, the second night, we were like I was like, I can't do this again.
Danny:Yeah. There's not enough room for all of us. Not enough rooms. Yeah. I don't know if we'll
Tyler:do the rooftop tent again next year or if the if we'll let it go and then, you know, find another option, but the kids loved it. The interesting thing about camping spots that I've noticed is that you have to be, like there's a lot in you there's a ton of camping in Utah. Right? You can reserve some, but more often than not, it's 1st come, 1st serve.
Danny:Okay.
Tyler:And we were totally planning on there's, like, 40 spots up in Logan. We were planning on snagging one. We got up there into Logan Canyon, and we're, like we we got to the campground, and, like, the last camp spot was being, you know, signed up for taken taken. And it was, like, noon. It was, like, noon on a a Friday, and I'm, like, we were so close.
Tyler:So we ended up at, you know, we've we've had good luck with, like, RV sites that have a couple of campsites and which is which is fine because right? Like, we Bathroom
Danny:is in.
Tyler:Right. We we we travel a lot like an RV when you're in the rooftop tent. Yeah.
Danny:For sure.
Tyler:You know, we can pop up the tent real quick, shut it real quick, and then you also have the benefit of, like, a nice shower and
Danny:Yeah. Pignite table. Picnic table. You don't have to, like, you don't have to, like, fully, dirtbag it
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:On a an RV. I like that too. Like me, personally, like, I'm I'll dirtbag it as much as I need to. But for the most part, when I'm done dirtbagging, I go to an RV spot, and I'll get an RV spot for sure. Yeah.
Danny:It's a little bit more easier. Same thing when we sleep in the jeep. We Yeah. We tend to, like, gravitate towards the RV spots because they're a little bit nicer. Yeah.
Danny:You know? Yeah. Pay a little bit more money, but it's kinda like whatever.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:Cheaper than a hotel?
Tyler:Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Definitely cheaper than a hotel. And, like, the good ones you like meet, good people there too.
Danny:For sure.
Tyler:You know, we were because we were watching CJI Oh. That weekend. Oh, yeah. Craig Jones.
Danny:Forgot that was Yeah. Then that that that happened. Yeah.
Tyler:We should talk about that in a sec because I do have some questions for you. But, what did you end up doing? What have you been up to?
Danny:We, man, I've been working. Came home from, let's see. I mean, like, after the last podcast, kinda went on a big long working trip, of of trying to, like, recover from Montana. And then, you know, like, for me, I don't have the same things. I kinda get bummed out every once in a while when I hear the kids, like, starting back to school and, like Yeah.
Danny:Everybody is getting back into their grooves, and I'm just stuck in my, you know, my midlife, but I don't have young kids. Yeah. You know, my boys are all older. And so, I had a pretty rough week. I mean, I like, work has been tumultuous.
Danny:Like, there's been a lot of lot of bullshit going on in my work with, like, in house fighting. And I kinda, like, got a little sucked into it, but not on purpose and not for any other not that I was searching it out. Right? Yeah. And I tend to not deal with conflict very well Right.
Danny:A lot of times. I get better. I'm trying to do better, but I'll, I'll run to the firefight. Yeah. And I will go guns blazing if I'm not careful.
Tyler:I'm I'm a lot like that. I think I think the way you handle conflict is is we learn that from a very young age by watching our parents and by how we interact with our parents, and I think that's one of the biggest habits that's habits. I don't know if habits is the right word or if, like, that is, like, probably one of the most yeah. I mean, I guess just patterns pattern. Like, this is the hardest pattern to break because I'm this I'm the I'm the same way.
Tyler:And here I am, like, you know, nobody wants nobody wants spiritual guidance from somebody who's toxic, but there's there are definitely times when I'm like, jeez, Tyler. That what you just said was toxic as fuck in an old in an old pattern.
Danny:Well and, like, for me, man, like, if I feel jaded, if I feel like you've done something to me Yeah. Or to somebody that I care about Yeah. I am I I have no filter. Yeah. And I have, you know, attacked maybe the wrong way, maybe the wrong person.
Danny:Right. And if I if you know, I almost did that at work. I almost was like, okay. Yeah. I'm I'm in the fight.
Danny:Right. I don't care about the consequences. And a couple of guys at work had to remind me like, hey, Danny. Don't forget. You have 20 almost 25 years of government service.
Danny:Like Yeah. Don't throw this away for an instant gratification of of tuning somebody up. And, you know, like, that happens, and and and it is what it is, man. Like, I'm kinda mellowed out from that. So last week, man, it was crazy.
Danny:Misty, I it was Thursday, and I was like, god. I just had finished up with this thing. And Misty's like, let's get out of town. And so we thought about Colorado. We we thought about, where could we go?
Danny:What can we do? And we both were like, let's go to Vegas. Yeah. Thursday, got done with kids' classes. I picked her up about 7 o'clock.
Danny:We headed to Vegas. We got to Vegas about 1 o'clock in the morning and had the time of our lives. That's awesome. It was so fun, man. Like and and her and I, we do Vegas probably different than every single other person because we sit by the pool for 8 to 9 hours, and then we're usually in bed by, like, 8 o'clock, 8:30 so we can do it the next day.
Danny:Oh my god. And, yeah, it was fun. We had such a good time. She got in a float she got a floaty. She was floating around the pool.
Danny:I ended
Tyler:up the same you guys go to the same resort?
Danny:The same resort.
Tyler:We go
Danny:to South Point. We go to South Point. I ended up playing football with these 2 these 3 kids. Man, they had such really, really, really, like, cool personalities, and I could tell this one kid was like he had a really cool personality, but he was kind of a shithead. Yeah.
Danny:And he was being a kind of a shithead. And, yeah, I ended up, like, getting a little irritated with him and being like, he's not my kid, Danny. Or, like, I don't have a relationship with him to, like Yeah. To correct him for what he was doing. And then I was like, alright.
Danny:Time to go. Missy's like, hey. Time to go. You know, he was like 14, 15 year old kid, and I was just like, I'm gonna drown this kid. Yeah.
Danny:You know, because he was gonna be in a shithead. But we had a good time, man. And then we came back here and, man, right to open mat yesterday, which was Labor Day. Yeah. And, dude, yesterday's open mat was on point.
Danny:Oh, I mean, it was.
Tyler:I think that the energy from there's been a lot of jujitsu the last couple weekends. You know?
Danny:Yeah. Oh, yeah. After CGI, man, the the the training after CGI
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Was was was on fire. Yeah. And there were I mean, everybody was, like, came to party. Yeah. And so, yeah, I mean, like, I I think, like, recovering the correct way.
Danny:Like, I I like to go and do things, and if Misty and I can agree on them, then they're fun. You know? Yeah. I I I like I said, I I miss that my boys aren't in school and then I'm not, like, in that, like, stressful time of, like, oh. Because then wrestling would be starting then
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Like, everything would be going. Yeah. Be like, oh, I have this, like, plan for the next 6 months of what I need to do for my boys. Yeah. Where now it's like, me and Misty are like, shit.
Danny:We're kinda by the seat of our pants sometimes, which is a new world for us. Yeah. It's a super new world, and, like, what we have planned is is scary. You know? We we we both plan to, you know, move into an RV in the next Right.
Danny:6 to 8 months and see how that goes. Maybe, you know, travel different places, different areas, and and live out of an RV. We're we're not sure if we're gonna sell our house or rent our house. So if anybody in the comments gives me some ideas, I don't know. We're I've I had I've had I had interesting conversations with a lot of people, and both of them had good points.
Danny:I just don't know what's good for Misty and I. You know? Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of, like, nerve racking that.
Danny:That is nerve racking, but we're both excited to see how it goes. So, yeah, let's talk about CJI.
Tyler:So I'm you you know, obviously, CJI happens the same. And for those of you who don't know, it's Craig Jones Invitational, competitive, jiu jitsu tournament. We happens the same weekend as ADCC Which
Danny:is by far. I mean, that's the Olympics of that's considered
Tyler:gold standard for
Danny:Consider the Olympics of the jiu jitsu. Yeah. That's true. Over 2 years.
Tyler:Yeah. Been the gold standard of of jiu jitsu, the Abu Dhabi combat club. Obviously, some falling out with, paying their their fighters. Right?
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:Some fantastic matches all in all all in all. Like, it took me a little longer to get to the ADCC because I didn't really wanna pay for flow grappling to to,
Danny:and it was hard. Like, yeah, man. Like so ADCC is great. But I've heard if you're in person, it's really hard to watch it because there's 3 matches. And you're looking at this match, and all of a sudden you hear roar of the crowd.
Danny:And you're like, shit. What just happened? Same thing happens on Flow. Yeah. You're watching a match, and it has you know, they have it kinda good.
Danny:Yeah. But you're watching a match, and all of a sudden you hear a roar. And you're like, fuck. What just happened? So you have to go and search what
Tyler:just happened. Match. Yeah. That was the nice thing about CJI.
Danny:That was beautiful.
Tyler:One it was just one I I loved the the
Danny:the map. Amazing.
Tyler:Like, the
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:Working off those the, like, the walls or the ramps or whatever, kinda similar to, what is that? The the one or the
Danny:Well, it's kinda like off the karate combat club.
Tyler:Karate combat club.
Danny:Yeah. Karate combat. Karate combat has the 45 degree, angles on the wall. So you can't run off the mat, which ADCC has, and you can't use it as a cage, which is vertical.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:So you can use the cage as an extension, you know, when we're at the academy and you have them wall mats.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:You can use that wall mat as one to protect yourself, and 2, it's it's really a good base. Yeah. Like, if you can attach yourself to that wall and you know how to use that wall, it's amazing. Yeah. But that angle, that was not the way that was.
Tyler:Completely different.
Danny:It was awesome.
Tyler:It did it did cause, like, a bunch of good
Danny:Yeah. Good matches. Yeah. Good good match. I think
Tyler:the thing that's most interesting to me is, like, obviously, I didn't know a lot of these everybody knows Gordon Ryan. Right. You know? I mean, I I knew Gordon Ryan. I hadn't wasn't super familiar with who Craig Jones was
Danny:Oh.
Tyler:Until Craig Jones, the invitational.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:And as obviously, there's some there's a little bit of bad blood there because Craig Jones and, you know, he was part of
Danny:Yeah. The b team that split from the Danaher death squad. Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler:And so there's a little bit of bad blood there, but, like, what I find interesting is, like, I start just recently with him last week. I started far following on Instagram because I hadn't previously, Craig Jones and then Gordon Ryan. And what I find funny about Gordon Ryan's posts, is I almost have to unfollow him. Yeah. Because 99% of his posts are some chick in a bikini.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:And not that I'm opposed to seeing a chick in a bikini, but it's like he's posting thirst traps about one of his companies, and it's, like, very little jujitsu comp content.
Danny:Sure. Gordon Ryan is by far has he he he's he is a a big reason why, Nogi jiu jitsu is where it's at.
Tyler:Absolutely.
Danny:But and and and and I don't know. I mean, I'm not you know, I know, like, he's he's very blatant that he uses steroids. Mhmm. And I know that, like, Gordon Ryan pre steroids and Gordon Ryan after steroids
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:There is a huge huge difference.
Tyler:Huge difference.
Danny:And guys on his team before Yeah. Steroids and then after steroids, there is a huge difference. Yeah. So part of it is is those guys, like, you know, like Craig Jones, like, maybe he uses steroids, but not the same steroids that, Gordon Ryan uses.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:You know? And and, Craig Jones didn't really make a I mean, he was a big name until he was a purple belt, and then he was a purple belt. And then all of a sudden, it was like, who is this dude that is like Yeah. I mean, he's got he but he but body style matters. Right?
Danny:Body body the way your body looks. Craig Jones has really long arms, really long legs, and he's limber. Yeah. But he does some shit that you're like, this guy is, like, a genius when it comes to jujitsu IQ. Yeah.
Danny:Same thing with Gordon Ryan. Very but they have I mean, you know, they have the ability to train 16 hours a day Right. And take 8 hours off. Right? They could train 16 hours a day if they want.
Danny:You know, every one of them trained 365 days. The the
Tyler:So I guess they've monetized themselves completely differently from what I can tell. For sure. From what I can tell. Right?
Danny:Like And Craig Jones is able to use Gordon Ryan as the heel. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know?
Tyler:Oh, and he absolutely is.
Danny:And and the fact that Gordon Ryan's brother went with Craig Jones, there's definitely some, there's definitely something something happened that you're like, oh, there's probably a pretty good story to this.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And they always allude to it, you know, but they never, they never give the details. But every one of them go, oh, if I told you what if I told you the real details, it's worse than you think.
Tyler:It's it's it's interesting because I I caught a little bit of Craig on Joe Rogan. It was just a few minutes. And he's talking about Danaher Danaher. Am I pronouncing that right? He he's got an interesting story.
Tyler:Right? He's obviously he's a genius coach.
Danny:Oh, yeah.
Tyler:But he was a philosophy professor. Right? And then he decides to just sell it all out and, like, become this prolific jujitsu coach.
Danny:And and and he's a Henzo Grapesee black belt.
Tyler:Yes. I've
Danny:heard from multiple people that there are hen in in that basement area, the it's called the basement. The blue I think it's a blue basement. I I mean, I'm probably wrong.
Tyler:But Right.
Danny:Hensel Gracie in New York, the the basement area, if you're invited to train down there and you go down there, there are guys that make that whole Dena Dena Heard death squad look like garbage. Really? The guys that in there, the black belts and the brown belts and the purple belts in there are Wow. Like, insanely good. Wow.
Danny:And they're all Henzo Gracie guys, which Denner is a a Henzo Gracie.
Tyler:So I got the impression from this Craig Jones interview, and this is obviously purely speculation, but it's, you know, this philosophy teacher, basically gains a following. And I'm like, it's very cult cult life. I mean, jujitsu is already kind of borderline borderline cult cult.
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:But then you get a a a personality, like a dynamic personality. And I wouldn't say he's that dynamic because you see him in interviews, and he's, like, very dry, very Yeah. Point. But then, obviously, probably to his community, those people he actually lets in, I'm sure he becomes more of a a deity in in a way.
Danny:Yeah. No. I mean, like yeah. Have you have you ever, like, heard him how he talks and stuff?
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Like, it's kinda like, woah. Yeah. This guy's got a a different outlook on life. Right? And he he's not a big personality, but those guys around him are big personalities.
Danny:You know? And so, one of the cool things about ADCC is that you can have a breakout performance at ADCC, and all of a sudden your life changes. Yeah. I don't know if they're gonna be able to keep that. If, you know, like, it was good.
Danny:It was cool. Right. I know people that were at both, and they said, yeah. ADCC was cool, but, like, last ADCC was, like, phenomenal. The venue was smaller.
Danny:It felt a little bit more, intimate, and you had all the people, the the big names there.
Tyler:Right?
Danny:There were some really cool performances. Man, shout out Daigneir Hocha. That dude is my age, and he competed
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:At the ADCC with young up and coming lions, and he did not back down. It it inspired me.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I was like, I gotta figure out a way to compete at a healthy way like this guy does. But but a lot of it is is like I said, he's able to 16 hours a day and and dedicate to his body and and to his craft. There probably may be some I mean, you know, I'm not opposed to doing testosterone or anything like that at some point in my life. Yeah. But CJI had the draw.
Danny:It had the flare. It had the one single mat. It had Yeah. Everything that you could imagine that you want out of a jujitsu tournament. Plus, it had story lines, and it had, you know, had lead up, and it had Yeah.
Danny:Just guys trying to kill each other. Yeah. And then I'm thinking, well, I'm never gonna be that guy. Like, I'm never gonna be in the siege. I mean, that Yeah.
Danny:Maybe, like, if I was younger. You know? I mean, I personally Tripp is a good competitor, but I don't know if I would encourage him to do that shit. Those dudes were willing to just their entire body sacrificed everything
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Which is cool as a fan. Right? But it's like, I have no idea what those guys are doing.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:I mean, they're probably also injured right now. Right. They're not gonna fight for
Tyler:a couple of month Months.
Danny:Yeah. 6, 7 months. Most of them are not gonna fight for a while Yeah. Because of what they did to their bodies. And so that is cool.
Danny:Plus, like, I'm not a I'm not a no gi guy. I'm a gi guy. Yeah. So I'd like to see, they just had IBJJF World Masters just this last weekend, and that was cool. They had a cool story lines, a bunch of guys that I knew were fighting there, and my goal is to compete there next year.
Danny:Oh, cool. You know, mighty mouse, Demetrius Johnson is UFC competitor, and I like him a lot. He's my size. But he just got a black belt, and he had his black belt debut, and he was fighting he he even said he goes, I'm a novice, and I'm fighting these black belts that have been training since they were 8 years old. Yeah.
Danny:And he had just gotten his black belt. But when you go to master's world, you you know, you could fight, as a black belt, you could fight a guy that's been
Tyler:Doesn't matter.
Danny:A black belt for 20
Tyler:years. Doesn't matter. Yeah.
Danny:Doesn't matter. So I think that's ins that that's intriguing to me Yeah. To I mean, whatever, man. Like, maybe you win one match. Maybe you win 0 matches, but you your first match is, like, megaton.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:You know? You're You
Tyler:become the man in the arena.
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. You're, like, oh, it doesn't matter. It's amazing.
Tyler:You're just competing.
Danny:So it's cool to me, like, to think about that with competition. Yeah. I'd like to hear your, any other of your, ideas or your perspective of CJI.
Tyler:I watched I I watched again, I watched CJI. I got my kids to watch CJI because we were camping, and it was like it was easier it was easier to watch. Sure. There was some really frustrating things with how it was it was streamed on Google. Google inserting their own ads in in pivotal points during the during the matches that was kinda frustrating.
Tyler:But
Danny:I'm sorry. That you didn't watch it on YouTube?
Tyler:So sorry. Google is YouTube. Sorry. YouTube and Google there. This is the same thing.
Danny:Oh, we didn't have any ads.
Tyler:You didn't have any ads? None. Oh, I watched it on the b team channel. So maybe I just maybe I just watched it wrong.
Danny:Same. We watched it on YouTube, on our TV, on Oh,
Tyler:well, I I don't maybe you have maybe you have the premium YouTube.
Danny:Oh, maybe.
Tyler:Maybe you have premium YouTube.
Danny:Tristan bought. I bet I bet Tristan encouraged me to pay. For a premium? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Danny:Yeah. We had none. And 0. That's crazy.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I could that would be that would be that would piss me off.
Tyler:At the end at the end of the day, there was so there was a bunch of matches I missed on day 1 that I had to go back and rewatch. There were Tolo brothers who I'm actually kind of kind of big fans of, but they're I think they're they're they're in a really interesting position because they're a third party, and they're they're not the Danaher desk squad. They're not b team. They're like their own entity. Yeah.
Tyler:They're kind of the wildcards. They got a real you you know, watching that match between Cade and Levi Yeah. At the end, and since it's now, we're gonna have have some spoilers here. So if you haven't if you haven't watched, like, you know, feel free to pause and come back. But, like, I feel like the I feel like the crowd kinda buckled.
Danny:Oh, sure.
Tyler:The crowd kinda buckled. Not that I and and and rightly so, like, watching Levi as much as I love Australians, watching watching Levi just defend did not make for interesting TV.
Danny:Well and then so and so for me, like, the way Levi was fighting was as a jujitsu guy. Oh. Right? And Cade was fighting kind of, like, recklessly
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:As, also as what you wanna see jiu jitsu grow into.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:So it was a contrast of styles, like, so bad.
Tyler:Ab absolutely. Absolutely. I could see I could see how it's, like, obviously, a hardcore jiu jitsu practitioner. Right? Like, you wanna see the highest level.
Tyler:You wanna see engagement. Yeah. As somebody who's wanting entertainment, you know, you you we're we're comparing all of this to UFC. Or there's UFC is there constantly there's constantly action. You know, people are booing if there's not a knockout, if there's not game makers.
Tyler:You know, they don't understand the tactics and style. So I could see where Levi won that that match because his jujitsu was more
Danny:Yeah. It was more jujitsu. Yes.
Tyler:Tech technical. Sure. And I think Cade was very frustrated, and he was just throwing everything at him to just try to make it entertaining. And,
Danny:yeah. Because on one side, Levi never pass tried to pass Cade's guard.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Cade did, but never could pass Levi's guard. Mhmm. And, I'm a huge Rotolo fan. Mhmm. So part of that is is the the Rotolo's come from Atos, and they are a gi a very big gi school they probably just barely got into.
Danny:I think, Andre Gebel is the is the main guy. I think he won ADCC a bunch of times. He had some big accolades. So they they have they're they're one of those schools that can blend Yeah. Gi and no gi together with their competitors.
Danny:So I think that that's kind of cool. Yeah. That that to me was, like, where you are going to gain followers Yeah. But lose, like, jujitsu, you know, high end jujitsu guys of, like, why you know, how how how did Levi lose? Right.
Danny:That that's what I wondered is, like, okay. Tell me how Levi lost. How did he lost? How did he lose? Because he didn't because, I mean, he did he, in the rules, did everything that he was supposed to do.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:In the rules Right. In the rules, so you have to change the rules. Right? Yep. Or, I mean, Kate technically could not pass his guard.
Danny:Right. I mean, he was throwing everything at him and and Levi was stuffing him. Right. Kate definitely was not gonna put his leg in Levi's guard.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:I'm not a leg locker. You know? Right. I I very small small small small dabbling
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:In leg lock game. I'm leg lock defense. Yeah. You know, if you grab my leg, I'm defending. I'm but I'm not grabbing your leg.
Danny:I'm gonna I don't think about it like that. Yeah. I I defend my legs. So Cade was not gonna put his ankle, his leg, his knee anywhere near Right. Levi's guard because he would get it ripped off.
Danny:Yeah. You know? And so that was kinda crazy to me also. What did you did you what what was your going into it, what was your thoughts on Craig and Gabby going into it? Because I know because we had this conversation Yeah.
Danny:Going into it.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. Because I we we had the conversation around, like, what if a high level like, 2 high level belts equally weighted and matched, like, competed together. I want to tread lightly because, I don't want to offend anyone.
Danny:But On paper, Gabby is
Tyler:is a man.
Danny:Times. Not on paper. Not on paper. But on but on paper, Gabby is 10 times 15 times the jujitsu player that Craig is.
Tyler:It you wouldn't have you wouldn't have you wouldn't have guessed. Not even You couldn't have guessed. No. Like, her fumbling with that heel hook, that inside heel hook, it didn't seem like she knew what she was doing, yeah, to lock it up. Like and I'm like, I'm I'm just a lowly blue belt.
Tyler:Like, I could tell that she was, like, fumbling around with it. Didn't really know how to secure it when she was shoot. Like, it would be like me trying to put a leg lock on Craig and and Craig was so effortless in his movement. Like, I think at the end of the day, it was a fun match to watch because, the spirit in which they were putting it on, like, was really was really beautiful. Like, Gabby gave it giving up her her hall of fame.
Danny:Let me tell you that.
Tyler:You know, in an effort for for these athletes to get paid. For sure. Right? Like, I think it's cool to encourage encourage athletes to become the best, and the only way to do that is if they can they can make a living doing it.
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:And we have the same problem in lacrosse. Right? Like, we have several different high levels of lacrosse, but, you know, the pro level lacrosse does not make the same as the pro level NFL player. Yeah.
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:And and a lot of that has to do with the appeal and the eyes and advertisers and things like that because that's how it gets paid.
Danny:But I agree.
Tyler:You have to start figuring out how to pay them. And I think for all the foibles of CJI, getting them paid was beneficial. Beneficial. They have room for improvement, but it's definitely put ADCC on notice. They have 10 times the sponsors, 10 times the the dollars.
Danny:Yeah. Don't yeah. Put it to where the put it to where the money should go Right. Which is the entertainment, which is the athletes. Right.
Danny:I you know, I mean, you could go to a high school gym and and put on ADCC. Yeah. All I care about. Yeah. Sure.
Danny:You're not gonna get the same kind of fans, but but at the end of the day, I think they had, like, some sort of double digit million views Yeah. For CJI. Maybe even more than double digit, maybe triple digit million views for CJI Yeah. As opposed to this this the the the, you know, the the butts in the seats, which you're gonna get the the the that you want the views. Right?
Danny:I'll tell you this. What I think is, high level jujitsu high level jujitsu is high level jujitsu.
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:High level jujitsu I q is high level jujitsu I q. If you put a high level jujitsu black belt woman against a high level jujitsu black belt man, just the way the bodies are, the way things are, just may not work out. Right. But I train with purple belt, brown belt women who I have to be so careful with because at any time, they will catch you. They have technique.
Danny:They have, I'm dealing with a wrist injury because I got put into a wrist lock that I was not prepared for. Wrist lock, and the woman I mean, she meant business. She meant business. She's super injured right now. She's super injured right now.
Danny:And she put a wrist lock on me that I had to scream.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And it caught me off guard. It hurt, and it still hurts to this day.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:It hurts. So if you are I mean, women who buy into jiu jitsu, who have the technique, who do the things, who go to class, who train to win, to train to kill. You know? Shout out Anne. She comes and trains with us.
Danny:Mhmm. She was at World's Master. She's a bronze. You know? Yeah.
Danny:Man, all all of those women that come and train with us, like, they they hold their own for the most part. You know? And I and I appreciate that. At some point, though, like, things just, you know, things start to eat. You know?
Danny:The the the the weight starts to go Yeah. In one direction. Yeah. And that's obvious. Right?
Danny:Does it mean that we can't have fun and that we shouldn't still be careful? No. Oh, yeah. And Yeah. That was cool to me with with, Gabby and Craig Yeah.
Danny:Was that it was it was awesome.
Tyler:Right. And they can make a spectacle out of it. It didn't it you know, the money went to charity.
Danny:It didn't take away?
Tyler:It didn't no.
Danny:And it added Oh,
Tyler:if anything if anything, I was, like, so stoked to watch stoked. To watch CJA because Craig did a really good job marketing it.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:You know, the the OnlyFans collabs, the, like, kissing her at
Danny:Oh, dude. That shit was so funny.
Tyler:Weigh ins and just, like, her disgust. You've gone too far. Everything he did, you've gone too far, Chris. You've gone too far.
Danny:That's it. I'm not doing this again. It's like and he's over there, like,
Tyler:just like a little kid.
Danny:Like, oh my god. God. Yes. You know?
Tyler:Yeah. Teasing his, like,
Danny:teasing his sister
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Or or his best friend. And and then at the end of the you know, when they gave her, Gabby, the mic to talk because I've watched Gabby a bunch, you know, in in IBJJF stuff and in, and in MMA and in the ADCC stuff. And, yes, she yes. There are things that people, like, tease her about. She always has a good, a good outlook and a good Yeah.
Danny:Forthcoming about things. Yes. There are yes. I mean, there there are people that are trolls that are going to say shitty things about her. Yeah.
Danny:You know? To me, I think, you know, she is I mean, she's a a a very big woman who would kick the absolute shit out of me. Yep. You know? Yeah.
Danny:And whether I'm whether whatever she decided to do, she could have her way Yeah. With me. You know? And so I was stoked on that. The the whole CJI, I thought, was just a little bit better, but I think the excitement was better.
Danny:So next year, it'll be interesting to see, like, do they do CJI again? Because they're gonna do a women's bracket, I believe.
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:They'll have super fights, and I know Craig and Nikki Rod are trying to get Gordon to come and fight them there. Will he do that? The the lead up to that will be kind of fun. And so I I think overall, jujitsu gained followers. Yeah.
Danny:It gained perspective from from its practitioners. Us, hobbyists, which I would consider hobbyists, we don't repeat it a lot. Did it change our life? Did it change our world? I don't know.
Danny:I mean, like, I don't know if it did or not. Competitors that, you know, are out there, did it change their world? I mean, I kinda showed you what you need to do. Yeah. You know, kinda showed you where you're if you're willing to sacrifice your entire body for the rest of your life
Tyler:Set the bar.
Danny:Set that that that's that's what it's gonna require. It's gonna require a lot of of sacrifice, and Tripp and I talked about that a lot because he is a competitor. He's a high level competitor in in certain aspects. You know, he's 20 years old at at, a purple belt. He's not he's not done jujitsu the length of, like, most people, but he rested his entire life.
Danny:He has been on the mat since he's 4 years old. Yeah. He doesn't know a single thing. I tell people all the time, he literally plays with me.
Tyler:Yeah. Uh-oh. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Tyler:Yesterday, he
Danny:was He played. He was he, like, doesn't give a shit what he
Tyler:Yeah. The whole this yesterday, this whole time I'm defending the violin, all of a sudden throws a triangle up, and I'm like, I wasn't even the triangle wasn't even in the the realm of the problem I'm trying
Danny:to solve. Did you watch Evil?
Tyler:Yeah. No.
Danny:Grabbed the knife
Tyler:Oh, yeah.
Danny:And started stabbing Will. Will freaked out, grabbed the knife back from Tripp
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Starts stabbing Tripp. Tripp, chokes him.
Tyler:And he was like Will was like, what the fuck? And he's like, Will had the
Danny:tap with a knife in his hand. I'm thinking, just act like you're stabbing him. He goes, I did, but he chokes me and I had the tap.
Tyler:We were laughing. And I
Danny:was thinking, this is a 20 year old kid
Tyler:Right.
Danny:That comes in, hangs out with the with these men with these men.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And that's like, he is so high level for for thank god Yeah. Mike, Nick, Anthony, Cookie, Keith. Yeah. Thank god our black belts keep him humble. Yeah.
Danny:Because he's not I mean, he's not arrogant. No. No. He's confident. Yes.
Danny:Because he'll he'll train with I mean, he was training with the white belts, and they were having just as much fun Yeah. As as anybody else. Yeah. Right? Because he doesn't he doesn't make you feel like you're you're not his friend.
Danny:Yeah. So So you don't wanna lose that. No. Right? And so we we we appreciate that with him, but he's 20 years old, a purple belt, and his I mean, he hasn't even he's still on his trajectory.
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. Who knows what his bar is? But I always tell him, like, I don't want his knees jacked up. I don't want his ankles messed up.
Danny:I don't want him
Tyler:Let's cripple
Danny:gargoyle Gargoyle
Tyler:knuckles that that a lot of those high level players have.
Danny:Yeah. I don't want that. So then you're like, okay. Well, what's what's what's it what's it what's it what does jujitsu look like for him?
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:What does it look like for him? You know? Because is he a high level competitor? No. Because he has to work he has to work.
Danny:He has to work. He's still kind of a hobbyist Right. With a high IQ, and he's been on the mat since 4 o'clock 4 years old. Yeah. But, man, when he I mean, Will, I wish I coulda recorded that because it was so funny that Will, you know, like I said, had the knife in his hand and was tapping.
Tyler:And I was like,
Danny:come on, dude. What are you doing on the hook? You stab him.
Tyler:Yeah. Oh,
Danny:it was so funny. And then there was a time when, Will is standing, and Tripp arm drags into his back, jumps on his back, and he's on Will's back like a little kid. And Will's trying to shake him off. And I was thinking, you know, in the real world, Will would just jump back Jump in the back. Hurt Tristan, but it was so funny to watch.
Danny:And, you don't lose that. No. Right? And so I think, like, we we have the best of both worlds in our academy. We have lots of high level guys.
Danny:We have young up and coming guys who keep it fun. Right? I I I was thinking you did get a promotion while we were on break. Correct?
Tyler:I got I got a Stripe.
Danny:We have not talked about that yet.
Tyler:I didn't get a Stripe.
Danny:It's it's Was it expected?
Tyler:No. What? No. Yeah. No.
Tyler:We just, you know, you go you never know. Right? I thought you know, I'm I'm due probably class wise. Right? Like, there's a correlation between the the hours you put in and and right?
Tyler:Like, the the paper. Right? The paper of when you should be promoted. Right? But I I learned long ago, like, not to really not care about that because it's more it's more about, like, are you speaking jujitsu on the map?
Tyler:Sure. And so, yeah, I was not was not prepared
Danny:for it.
Tyler:I know we got a
Danny:same time. Right?
Tyler:Yeah. And I know we've got a a ceremony coming up. So I'm like, maybe at the ceremony, but, like, no. Nick surprised us completely.
Danny:Didn't when you're surprised by Nick, how awesome does that
Tyler:feel? It it it always feels the best. The best. Right? And that's when you, like it it feels foolish, but you probably saw my post.
Tyler:I'm like, this guy's celebrating one stripe, but I'm like, hell, yeah. I'm celebrating one stripe. Like, it
Danny:was not Nick.
Tyler:Yeah. It was not, it was not it wasn't easily earned. Right? There was a lot of there was a lot of sweat and pain and wrist locks and, you know, beat up.
Danny:And Ray is your battle buddy.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:He he you guys are kinda you guys tested together?
Tyler:We tested together.
Danny:And you guys are on the same projection together. And, Ray is I mean, he's coming into his own.
Tyler:He's yeah.
Danny:I mean dude is a nightmare.
Tyler:We have Ray and I definitely will go to war with each other. Like, you know, obviously, he brings that he brings that cop energy, which is great, and and also not great at times. Right? You sometimes you just want a an easy role, but you're never
Danny:You never you
Tyler:never guarantee that. Like, you know, and sometimes more often than than not, he gets me. He's got that little bit more and he's a little bit more intense. Just maybe that's that cop mentality that Yeah.
Danny:He also like, you're an experimenter.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:You experiment in jiu jitsu. You're you you have the ability to experiment. So, like, one cool thing about Tyler is, somebody will show a move, and Tyler will try that move, you know, until the umpteenth Yeah. Time. And he'll catch you with it sometimes, which is, like, how you how you should do jujitsu in my opinion.
Danny:Yeah. There's also those guys that they have their game, and they live in that world. Yeah. If the technique fits that world Yes. Then they adjust it.
Danny:Yeah. You will double check the technique multiple times, and maybe it doesn't work, maybe it doesn't. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but you always, like, continue. Yeah. Right?
Danny:And so Ray is one of those this is my world. Yeah. And this is where I live. Yeah. So as you're an experimenter Yeah.
Danny:He's kind of, like, figured out some of his oh, my beer kind of like
Tyler:That's right.
Danny:Cut out. My beer or, sorry. My
Tyler:Feed the snake. Feed the snake.
Danny:My beer is sorry. My beer in the middle, my beer started foaming over because I when I'm watching the, YouTube. But Ray lives he knows where he lives.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And so as you're experimenting, he'll catch you where you live. Yeah. You know, where you're, like, experimenting experimenting. Oh, shit. He caught me.
Danny:Yeah. You know?
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:So I think it's good because you guys both have different games, which is the craziest thing to me about jiu jitsu. Yeah. We're all taught by the same instructors. Yeah. We all teach the same techniques.
Danny:We all do the same techniques. And you find out where you live. I find out where I live, and then there's absolutely nothing that's going to change you your mindset except for you'll always be an experimenter. Yes. And, eventually, you'll find out where you you're like, oh, I know I know these spots.
Danny:There's there's things that I'm like, I will not let you grab certain, limbs Yeah. That I'm like, nope. Because I know that you know you live in that world. Yeah. Maybe I don't.
Danny:And you I know. Don't do that because you also have a tax off of those. Yeah. With Ray, I also know do not let him get that position because you're never getting that.
Tyler:You're never getting it
Danny:back. Yeah. You're never getting out of it. Yeah. And so it's cool because, it's the most exciting thing to me about jiu jitsu is that you get to have this game and this world that you can develop into your own world.
Tyler:Yes.
Danny:And because you need people, you need me, you can, like, develop that world
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Around another human
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:That, maybe it works. Yeah. And then, yeah, white belts. Right? There's Mitch and Grant, and Grant was on fire yesterday, yesterday.
Danny:Yeah. He caught
Tyler:me yesterday. He caught me in, got me in a camora.
Danny:He that dude was he was doing this funny thing that I showed him. The I called the the the cop. Yeah. But I grabbed your arm and put it behind your back.
Tyler:Yep. That's exactly what he caught me in.
Danny:And you're like, you're stuck like a cop.
Tyler:Yep.
Danny:He did it to me, and I was like, you little shit. Yeah. So I had to, like, do some I had to really, really, really think about it of, like, okay. Don't get turned.
Tyler:Yes.
Danny:And I was like, okay. I kinda want him to put me on my back so I could triangle him because his arm is down. Yeah. So now he's technically one arm, one in one time one arm out. Right?
Danny:And I was like, okay. I want him to, like, sweep me so I could throw a triangle on him. And when I did, he was like, that nobody he he looked at me and he was like, wow. Nobody does that. And he he was like, wow.
Danny:That was awesome. Yeah. Because he had been beating people up with it. Yeah. You know?
Danny:And, what a crazy world that we live in where we're able to witness, we're able to watch, high level guys and go in there and do it ourselves. Yeah. Right?
Tyler:Yeah. Like, you're
Danny:able to do it yourself. You're able to go in there and, like, watch CJI, watch ADCC, watch IBJJF stuff, watch high level jujitsu. And since you practice it, you speak it a tiny bit. Yeah. Right?
Danny:And you're like, there is no endgame.
Tyler:There is no
Danny:endgame. Like, we're not gonna ever be because we're not racing to a black belt. Like you said, you're not racing to promotions.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:You're like, if I get promoted, cool. If I don't, okay. Yeah. Doesn't matter to me. Yeah.
Danny:I'm not racing because what happens when you get a black belt? Are you gonna quit? No. No. The whole thing starts all over.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:When with with that being said, like, that's why, to me, if you haven't tried jiu jitsu, it's so hard. Yeah. It it's what's hard about it because, like, you walk into this room where there are these guys who do it, and you're just starting. Yeah. You're like, oh my gosh.
Danny:I want to know what they know today.
Tyler:Yes. You know? You wanna be able to play at that level and have it be a fun game. There are there are players that we play with that I know that I am probably not that fun to roll with. You know what I mean?
Tyler:Like, if you know? And and and and I'm aware of it. Like, I do my best, but I don't know enough. I don't speak the language enough to, like, even for it to even be fun for some of those people.
Danny:I disagree with you a 100%.
Tyler:I mean, maybe you're right. Maybe I think it's
Danny:more of, like, your insecurities Okay. With your own game.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I think the same thing, like, with me and Will. Yeah. Will's 63. Yes. I'm 55 on a good day.
Danny:No way. He weighs probably 200 and something pounds. Yeah. 2.50. 140 pounds.
Danny:Yeah. In all aspects of this world, we should never be able to communicate on the jiu jitsu match.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:And there's times when I'm like, he's just he he could maul me. Right. And he says, I have no idea what to do with you. Yeah. No.
Danny:Your your your arms are small. Yeah. Your legs are small.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Your body's small. I'm nothing and I'm like, this is I think it's just the fact that we, like, have insecurities Oh, yeah. With that. But I think, like, I've watched you train with most everybody, and you speak enough jujitsu to have fun. I just think that you're you're worried sometimes about, like, pissing off the wrong animal.
Tyler:Yes. Right. We've done that. Right? We've done that.
Tyler:We've made that mistake. You make these mistakes all
Danny:the time.
Tyler:You don't wanna do it. But, yeah, you make these mistakes and you, you know, it happens.
Danny:Some of that insecurities from different from, like, how you perceive things Yes. Yeah. Is how, like, just in general in life. Right? In general in life, like, how you see it, how I see it Yeah.
Danny:Sometimes doesn't mesh together. Right. But if we can find, like, a common path or a common walking path Right. We can still get to the same destination that we're looking for. Yeah.
Danny:Right? Yeah. Because in my opinion, when I watch some of you guys train, I see, like, so much of other instructors and that you've gone to that instructor's class, like, a ton.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Right? Okay. Yeah. Like we were talking about with with Nick. I've only gotten maybe 1 or 2 stripes from Nick.
Danny:And each time, I've always been like, dude, if Nick gives you a stripe Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. If he gives you a stripe, like, man, that means that he's seen something or you've done something that he's stoked on. Yeah.
Danny:Right? And and then when professor gives you a stripe, it always means, like, more. Yeah. I've only seen Anthony give a couple stripes. That.
Danny:And I've always been like to get a stripe from Anthony would be like, dude, you've done. You've you've you've accomplished that.
Tyler:Right? I've yeah. I can only imagine.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:I can only imagine.
Danny:Yeah. That would be, to me, that's a goal for mine. Oh. Like, I wanna get a stripe from Anthony. Like, I I wanna because I I mean, I'm not big on promotions either, but there are people that I'm like
Tyler:Well, they they do they mean something, man. Like, like, you they you have to turn them into something in your journey. Right? Like and this is why we hate the the Internet trolls, the jujitsu Internet trolls. Right?
Tyler:Like, they'll make fun of you for being excited about one stripe as a white belt. Right? Like, there's all these memes about, like Yeah. Right? Like and we've been there, but, like, that shit keeps you in it.
Tyler:It keeps you going. It keeps you motivated. It it shows that you're you're progressing. Right? And it's not karate where you're getting a new belt every 6 weeks just because of
Danny:Of movement.
Tyler:Of movement. Right? Or you've you've got the right hiya with your karate chop. You know? Like, I mean, it's it's yes.
Tyler:There is a correlation between the hours you put on the mat and what your professors see you doing on the mat, but it doesn't always equate.
Danny:Right.
Tyler:It doesn't always equate. Like, there's a standard, but then the standard is open to interpretation.
Danny:I agree. Right? Man, that's so that is that's a very it's such a good that's such an you could go really deep into that too.
Tyler:Yeah. I I think I I think absolutely. I right? Like, we courses have a syllabus, and and and everything is open for interpretation on on how you accomplish that or how you actually get there. Maybe you don't.
Tyler:Like, I didn't think I was worthy of my first stripe when Nick gave he Nick gave me my first white belt stripe too.
Danny:Oh, really? Wow. Yes. Two stripes for Nick. Lucky.
Tyler:Well, I mean but I mean, it's been a significant period of time. Right? Like, you know, I I've tried to go to Nick's classes.
Danny:You you are a you are a regular attender of Nick's classes. Yes. For sure. I would agree with that.
Tyler:And and he's been, like, he's been instrumental in my journey. Right? Like, his, you know, his encouragement he's like a he's very much like an older brother.
Danny:For sure. I don't know where, age wise, where we're at. Way young.
Tyler:Is he? Yeah. May he he's younger than me? Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler:For sure. So, like, he but he does. He feels like he's got that older brother energy, like and and it's cool to have that in the gym and, like, he just has to be himself. He just, you know, he comes in and and he dominates them. Like, he he
Danny:looks effortless. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because, so there's a podcast with Jeff Curran that just came out.
Danny:I'll share it with you. I I was listening to this week, and they were kinda talking about how, like, Pedro Sours, he I don't know how they exactly they said it, but they were saying how, like, it takes a little bit longer at Pedro Sours Academy to be promoted and to get promotions and to to get to your black belt. It takes a little bit longer than most academies, which which is not bad in my opinion. Yeah. And I've always thought to myself, like, I've, you know, I I've I've started I've trained with other professors.
Danny:You know, Gustavo has been was who I started with, but then he pointed me towards Mike, and I've been with Mike my entire time. Yeah. And Jeff said the same thing about Pedro. Like, he was with Pedro. He was with other people, but when he got with Pedro, like, he was like, I'm a Pedro.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:We have people in our academy who have been from other academies, and and I think you've gotten some other people, but I'm a Mike Diaz. Oh, yeah. When I get my black belt, if Mike if and when Mike promotes me, I'm a Mike Diaz black belt. Yes. My entire journey from white belt to black belt will have been with Mike Diaz.
Danny:Yeah. And I think about that, like, when I think about the people that have gotten the black belts because my goal would be into the top 5, top 10 of his black belts. Mhmm. And he was telling us a story the other day about, like, how you have to have a certain amount of stripes to be coupled to promote a black belt. Mhmm.
Danny:And me and Tripp were like, oh, that makes sense. Like, that makes sense. He had to put he he he believes that. He lives that jujitsu lifestyle fully. Yeah.
Danny:And so, you know, I I've only been with Mike for my journey.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:You know? And so I think about that with you, and I think about that with everybody. Like Yeah. The guys that have started with Mike, and I think, like, all the seminars that we attend and all the Pedro stuff that we attend, like, we are the the front runners of this journey and of this lifestyle that we're promoting that we're like, hey. This really does change your life.
Danny:Yeah. We still struggle. Yeah. I still have moments where I'm not stoked on myself and stoked on my where I'm at. I'm not accomplishing the things that I wanna accomplish, but, you know, the consistency that's always is there is jujitsu.
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. Always there.
Tyler:Yeah. And that I mean, oftentimes, that all that's all it takes is that consistency. Consistency. That consistency of showing up.
Danny:Yep. Which if you think about that in, like, the broad spectrum, like, if we're if we're not we're not where we wanna be that day Yeah. Tomorrow will come. But what if we just went to, you know, a class and had fun with the instructor and, you know, trained a little bit like yesterday and walked away and you can be like, reset.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Reset my buttons.
Tyler:Oh, it it it totally is. It totally is. Totally is a reset.
Danny:Yeah. Always. We did we we did cover a lot.
Tyler:It's a big, big episode. And I don't know. We're we're switching up the the recording schedule. We're trying to get more consistent as we get into wintertime. Yeah.
Tyler:We'd love to get the bus out maybe one more time. Maybe on the even when the colors pop.
Danny:For sure. We can get out. Yeah. Let's get it started. We, what do you have coming up?
Tyler:Let's see. What do I have coming up? Nothing. My birthday. Your birthday.
Tyler:Yeah. Birthdays.
Danny:Birthdays. To celebrate our birthdays on the belt test. Oh, yeah. Right? Yours is the 26th.
Danny:Yep. Mine's the 27th. Yep. Belt test 28th. Yeah.
Danny:Do you have the kids' schedule at that time?
Tyler:They're coming they're I they're cut I'm gonna try to get them to come with me. I bet Cozy will come.
Danny:Oh, Ben. She's usually pretty good about coming to that country.
Tyler:Ben will be it'll be questionable, especially if there's something going on At the school. At the school. Maybe a barbecue or I don't know. Like, I haven't heard anything, but, like, maybe if they correlate that with
Danny:He's a sophomore?
Tyler:Ben is a sophomore. I know. That's insane. I know. Well, I know what's what's weird is that, like, him and Timmy are the same age, and they're just like I and Timmy kicks my trash quite often.
Danny:It's like a whole lot of opposites.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. But Timmy just grew up on the mat. Like
Danny:Yeah. His whole life has been there.
Tyler:It's like a wild wild monkey
Danny:all popped up on Mountain Dew. A dude caught me in an armbar the other day that was so beautiful. Yeah. And all I could do was, like, man, beautiful. I'm like And then I darced the absolute fuck out of him, and it wasn't even nice.
Danny:He was not stoked about it.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:Yeah. That's yeah. We have we have the adult test coming up at the end of the month. Yep. I don't think we have anything crazy besides, just that.
Danny:And Yeah. Birthdays, yeah, birthdays are so close. That's crazy that our birthdays are a day apart. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:And then,
Tyler:nothing is We're getting into the we're getting into the fall. Fall.
Danny:Yeah. Summer went by fast.
Tyler:Went by so fast, man. Doesn't even feel real. Doesn't even
Danny:feel real.
Tyler:Good. I know. It goes by so fast. I think too, like, I don't know, just not having I mean, we we work. Right?
Tyler:Like, we you and I work. Yeah. We work. The kids have all this time off and, you know, they expect to be entertained and, like, I'm sure, yeah. I don't know.
Tyler:It just went by so fast. It's Yeah.
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate the conversation. It kinda it kinda grew legs on its own, and and I always like that about, like, I love talking about jiu jitsu.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:And I think, like, for me, if you can find an academy, if you can there's there's a lot of people where it's just a transaction. Yeah. You know, I pay you to teach me moves. You promote me. I get to my black belt, and then what's left?
Danny:No. No. When you find that family family organic place where you feel like you're a part of something
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Growing and something bigger and you can help people. So the other day, me and Trent and, Mark, the black belt Mark, the Navy SEAL were training. And, so we are sponsored. We are big proponents of Jits Rings. You know?
Danny:We have Jits Rings. We Jits Rings is a is a is a company. It's just from our friend, Mike Derson, that
Tyler:it's,
Danny:it's, you you have the, it's you can put the belt of the your the your belt on your ring finger. You could put it it's just whatever ring you want.
Tyler:It's a it's a reminder. Yeah. It's just a reminder of the the journey that you're on.
Danny:I have a white belt.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I have a white ring. And my idea behind that was is to remind myself every day to be a white belt, to be inquisitive, to ask questions, to to understand my role in life, to to understand my role in every aspect of myself. And and Trent said, how come you who wears your brown belt? And I was like, I have a brown one as well, but I really want people to know that no matter what, like, I'm in this journey for life. Yeah.
Danny:And I wanna be a white belt forever. I want to be I want to always learn. I want to always be around people that will always encourage me to do the right thing. Yeah. You know?
Danny:And during my turmoil at work, I was so close to I mean, like, I was so upset. Yeah. And when I finally had the conversation with, a couple people, the first thing I did with 2 of them was apologize. Yeah. I I started it off I started our entire conversation off with an apology from me for my actions.
Danny:Right. And I said, I'm sorry for how I made you feel, for what I've done in this situation. I'm sorry. And I can assure you, it changed the entire tone because the dudes that were there for my side and for other sides, they were like, what? What?
Danny:And they were like, no. No. No. You don't have nothing to be apologizing. I was like Yeah.
Danny:Yes. I do. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have acted the way that I acted. It's not who I am as a man.
Danny:Right. It's not it's not who my character is. And a lot of that came from the fact that I thought to myself, what would, young Danny Yeah. Do? Young Danny would fight.
Danny:Yep. And Danny would do stupid shit. Young Danny would be a pain in the ass. Yeah. What it what would I encourage my friends to do?
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And I would encourage you to be like, hey, man. Start it off with a start it off with grace. Start it off with gratefulness. Start it off with, like, to let everybody's guards down. How can you let everybody's guards down?
Danny:And I was like, I apologize.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And, dude, it changed the entire course of the meeting. That's It could've went ugly. Oh. And I could've made it go ugly. But that's why I wear that's why I think jujitsu to me and my journey is to and do this, to talk about it, to love about it, to to, like, engage about it, to be excited about it.
Danny:And I know you're excited about it, and Mhmm. You have your own, branding to say white belt for life.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I think it's on your thigh.
Tyler:It is.
Danny:Let's see it, Tyler.
Tyler:Those are on the those are on the podcast. I got to track the,
Danny:No. I think it's awesome.
Tyler:It is it is awesome.
Danny:White belt for life. We just remind ourselves, like, what would we encourage people to do if they it was their 1st day of class or their 1st day of or or or in their life, what would we encourage them to to do? And and to me, that's what jiu jitsu has taught me. That's what my my friends have taught me is that your expectation of me is to live my life the way that I expect you to live your life. And I think that, you know, in closing, that's man, just just always be grateful, always be gracious.
Danny:You know, if you're in an argument, if you're in a fight, think about how you could redirect the energy into something totally that would catch the person off guard Right. And not expect it and don't have any, like, I better do this and see some reaction.
Tyler:So what you're saying is all the all the memes on the Internet telling me the Libras are going into their villain villain stage is not it's not true.
Danny:Trust me. We are villains. And you don't have to be the superhero of everybody's story.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:But you have to be the superhero of your story.
Tyler:Oh, hell yeah. You know? Hell yeah. I and I think that that but there there does come a time where you have to understand where to pick your battles. There are some battles where you don't need to back down.
Tyler:Yep. And there are some battles where, like, you know you're not going to you're not going to win. And you may not want to back down, but maybe say your piece and then walk away.
Danny:And walk away.
Tyler:Right? You can have a toxic interaction and just just walk away. Sure. And leave it at that and leave it at that. Leave it at whatever whatever it is.
Tyler:But for the for the most part, if you can seek to understand rather than being understood, you will always win. Sure. And that's what a white belt does. A white belt is seeking to understand from somebody who may know no may know more than them. Yep.
Tyler:And when they when you ask questions, when you get inquisitive, people's guard comes down because it means you it means you they you you you're showing interest that you care. I care. It's it's a beautiful thing. It's a secret it's a secret power.
Danny:It is a secret power. It is. It's a superpower. Superpower. It really is.
Danny:Secret superpower? Secret superpower. Yeah. So, I mean, I encourage everybody, like I said, find find that thing that will make you uncomfortable. Do it.
Danny:And and finds find that path that you can be proud of. Yeah. And I'm genuinely proud of, like, giving me, like, that couple of weeks of, like, I knew I knew we needed to record. I knew we needed to, like, get going, but I just man, I my my schedule was just and my mind was just so Yeah. Out of it.
Tyler:Yeah. No. And and and it's good too. Like, at the same time, we were chasing the last bits of those last drops. We had to squeeze the last drops somehow.
Tyler:Dude. Right? Like, we are going to get back into the snow, and we know how Danny deals with the snow. The worst.
Danny:Well, you know what we're about to hit is the best time in Utah, the fall. Oh, damn.
Tyler:We gotta get one one spot out in in get the fall colors for these folks to see on the YouTube.
Danny:Let's do
Tyler:it. Alright.
Danny:K. Well, thank
Tyler:you very much, Danny. I appreciate you.
Danny:Appreciate you. You can come see us at Park City Jujitsu. Sundays, open mat. Come hang out with us. Just if you're interested in jujitsu, reach out to us.
Danny:If you have questions, if we've pissed you off because of what we said about the CJI or the ADCC, Let's, let's have a chat. Let's Yeah. Let's let's dive deeper into it, and we always appreciate it. I appreciate you, dude.
Tyler:Yeah. Appreciate you too, man. Cheers, everybody. Thanks for chiming in.
Danny:See you.
