Owning the Moment: Finding Strength in Accountability
Welcome to the last Boy Scouts podcast.
Tyler:Welcome back.
Danny:Back in the studio.
Tyler:Back in the studio. Dude. Still fighting technical issues, though.
Danny:Technical issues.
Tyler:We're just getting better. We're just getting better.
Danny:Yeah. The, technical issues from great time, filming out of the bus.
Tyler:I love the bus.
Danny:The bus was off. So And and it was cool because we were able to go to the spot second time set up quickly. Uh-huh. But we were still having some technical glitches just because, we're even before we started the podcast today, we were going we had a little business meeting of Yeah. How where where we see the podcast going and the flow and how to get more guests, how to make the guests comfortable, how to, film, how to do the wireless part, or do we just do microphones?
Tyler:Right.
Danny:And, thankfully, all I do is just sit here and listen Yeah. As you brainstorm or soundboard Yeah. Your ideas. Right?
Tyler:Yeah. I I think one of the things that we have have misstepped in our generation of men is, like, the need for other good men
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:And to have those good men. You know, I think we talked about this on one of the earlier podcasts. Like, you know, the best thing I ever did did for myself when I was lost and I was broken down was find a good therapist. You know? Obviously, you've talked about you and my jujitsu journey and, like, just how awesome it was to have you just say, hey.
Tyler:Welcome back. Glad you're here.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:Glad you're here. Like, it meant the world to me. And, like, even still as we grow this podcast, like, just being able to kind of brain vomit because I am such a I'm I'm such an over thinker. Like, I've gone through and looked at new equipment. What do I do?
Tyler:What what kind of equipment should we be running? Like, should we make it easier? Right now, we're running equipment that I've had. Right? I've had on hand, and I've shot stills for for a lot a long time, and so we're using some canons that I have.
Tyler:And should we upgrade to something that's maybe a little bit easier and may reduce some of these technical glitches and make it easier for us?
Danny:And we have, the first Yeah. Generation of the podcast, the first couple episodes that moved into men are are kind of like a a stride of really good episodes to changing some things up to film out of the bus to where people were critiquing and keep people were kinda giving us, hey. Have you thought about this? Hey. Did you think about this?
Danny:And if you're not careful, you take that as criticism as opposed to Yeah. Advice or guidance. And like you said, like, men, just men in general are not built to receive a lot of feedback No. Without, taking it personal or, you know, turning that off, tuning that out because we're thinking that you don't know how much time and passion I have involved in this. Yeah.
Danny:Next thing you know, you know, you're kind of pissed off. But when you have searched out help and you have been able to, go inside yourself and realize that, like, we're just a learning progress. We're just learning about stuff. Right? And I'm always a student.
Danny:Yep. There are times when I teach, but for the most part, I take I I treat myself as a student and learn. Mhmm. When you get self help, it's one of the first things that, like, they help you along is that, like, asking for help, seeking guidance, seeking to understand is not wrong. I just don't think that men are given that tool quickly.
Tyler:Yeah. We have this we have this innate ability in the psychological world as they call it to to achieve what we call homeostasis.
Danny:Right.
Tyler:Like, that is the Kind of
Danny:a line.
Tyler:Right. And we've talked about this. Like, how quickly can we return to whether it's
Danny:Like our baseline.
Tyler:Our baseline. Right? And then so we have this concept of feedback. Right? Feedback happens in 1 of 2 ways.
Tyler:Right? Positive feedback is gonna be any feedback that triggers a response, either positive and or or negative, which is weird. Right. Because negative feedback is truly it creates no change to homeostasis. Yeah.
Tyler:Right? So it's it's it's a weird kind of, like, psychological fact that that is how we maintain. We want to we want to maintain. Right?
Danny:And and you have peaks and valleys. You have ebbs and flows.
Tyler:Oh, absolutely.
Danny:Hopefully and you see it with men that are struggling. Like, sometimes their peaks are super high and their valleys are super low. You notice it when, if a person who never has an outburst all of a sudden has an outburst Yep. Or a person who is super, like, always happy, always ready to go, and all of a sudden, they're like, man, Debbie Downer.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Right? And maybe it's because they're lost or stuck in their own thoughts. Yeah. But when we sound bored for each other, especially like like what we did before we started the podcast, whatever's in your brain just comes out.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:It may not truthfully, when we're talking technical stuff, we're talking cameras, we're talking studio setup. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah. Looks great to me. Yeah.
Danny:And I don't even offer any feedback except for I'm cool with whatever you decide. Yeah. Here's where I think is great. Most of the time, my conversations are really small, and your brain vomiting everything that's in your head about the technical stuff. And I'm like, my job is just to listen.
Danny:Yeah. Because if I offer advice or ask for a guidance in your in your thought moment, it may you may stop and be like, okay. I'm now I'm lost in where I was at. If you just keep going, keep going, keep telling me what you're feeling. Keep keep telling me everything that's going on in your head.
Danny:And I'm like, yeah. Get it all out, dude. Yeah.
Tyler:Get it
Danny:all out. Maybe you sleep better tonight or you don't go and research, you know, crazy shit.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. Spin on down the road.
Danny:Of of the path of what things could do. Yeah. And the especially, like, wireless mics and all this other crazy shit that we wanna do absolutely means nothing to me. You know what I mean? Like, it really doesn't mean anything to me.
Danny:I mean,
Tyler:I think it like, we wanna put on a good show. Right? We understand that, like, we started this as kind of a passion project. Right? How it gets shot was less important to the message that we were trying to we were trying to to to say.
Tyler:Right? Like, we are trying to share our individual stories. We're trying to relate to other men who may not feel comfortable or may not have been in an environment where it's cool to have these these type of conversations. Right? And so I think that's why we just we just started we just started doing it.
Tyler:And, like, we we we've kinda piecemealed together. Like, I knew that there were some areas where it's worth making an investment. Right? We always wanted to be audio first.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:So the highest audio quality, knock on wood, like, that was our our primary function. That's why you see, you know, studio grade equipment that that is, helps us capture that.
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:We we now have kind of gotten to a point where, like, hey. There's a big wide world out there we want to explore. There's people we want to have on. Like, how do we how do we bring in other voices to the podcast, continue making it entertaining so it's not just Danny and I preaching every week.
Danny:And it's ever evolving. Yeah. And so it's ever growing. So those moments where, we may not capture exactly what we're wanting to capture, it's still moving forward in our vision Yeah. Of things.
Danny:And with with just being a soundboard, with just looking for guidance, with asking questions, seeking to understand, it's easy when you have you know, you've been on that path of work, and I'm not sure that every man has that ability. Like, I've had great men around me. I still have great men around me. You know? It's it's it's interesting because if we go back to jujitsu and you're sitting at class.
Danny:Right? And you well, a lot of times, schools maybe have curriculums. Yeah. In our school, there is a curriculum. It's the white to blue belt moves.
Danny:Right? But a lot of times, the instructor comes in and you go and they say, hey. Does anybody have a question? Oh, man.
Tyler:I had such a crazy experience last night with that exact same thing happening. Like, it and it's you you know, professor tells you to come in with a plan. Right. And sometimes I do. Sometimes I just wanna fight.
Tyler:Right? Sometimes I just wanna roll. And so when he says you know, when Nick or whoever is in charge leading the class says that, like, I always hate when it's, like, silent. Yeah. Crickets.
Tyler:Right?
Danny:So Everybody's looking at each one.
Tyler:Nick's teaching Nogi last night, and we're all just standing around like a bunch of weirdos in our spandex. Right? Like, nobody's saying anything. And mind you, we have 3 black belts. We have a brown belt and a purple belt and a couple of blue belts and some white belts, and nobody was saying anything.
Tyler:Nothing. And so finally, I'm like, okay. Fine. The baseball bat joke. Let's play the baseball bat joke.
Tyler:Yeah. That's awesome. And, of course, it's a it's a you know, I'm thinking, like, I've seen people do it without the without the gi, but it's a traditional gi move.
Danny:Gi move.
Tyler:And really what I wanted was, like, how do I attack the neck? You know, what are some more other creative ideas besides the Darcey Anaconda, the the,
Danny:you know didn't we're in an environment of people like that.
Tyler:I caught so much shit last night.
Danny:I bet.
Tyler:Nick Jacks was just giving me so much shit. He did kind of at the end, he was like, yeah. I've done the baseball choke, the baseball
Danny:bat choke. Do you
Tyler:hear that? Like, hey. What's the baseball bat choke? And I'm like, okay. It's the it's the is it the baseball choke?
Danny:Yeah. So it it's a, yeah, it's a, yeah, baseball joke.
Tyler:Baseball.
Danny:Yeah. Because you put your hands as if they were in a baseball, like, grabbing the baseball bat.
Tyler:Oh, right. Yeah.
Danny:So you put your hands crazy. But if you grab, like, inogi, if you grab your fingers and turn your Yeah. Hands down. And for those of you that are watching, gi, you were able to have a grip on each
Tyler:Yeah. Each side.
Danny:But in no gi, you grab your fingers and turn your your wrists down and your fingers down, and now you have the same concept Yeah. With your so there is such thing. Yeah. But It's a soundboard.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Right? It's a soundboard. It's another it's another idea of a soundboard in our own world of jiu jitsu of, like, any questions. Right. There's so many people that don't wanna ask questions because you don't want to be embarrassed.
Tyler:I was so embarrassed. And I was like, first for the like, a few minutes, I was like, okay. I'm like, I'm kind of embarrassed. But at the same time, I'm like grab
Danny:the mat.
Tyler:Nobody else fucking said anything. You're all just standing around with your dicks in your hands, like, the baseball bat show. I'm like, oh, okay. Go ahead. Just give it to me.
Tyler:I had a lean into
Danny:similar experience down in Lehigh where, same concept. Like, professor came on the mat and he said, hey. Anybody got any questions? Same thing. Crickets.
Danny:And everybody's looking at me, and I'm like, I have lots of questions, but most of the time, it's like for my own Yeah. Thought process or the own journey that I'm on. So I asked him a question. He answered it, but he goes, it's not really the way that I see this class going. Yeah.
Danny:I'm thinking, I know, but I want to get the the the it's always easier
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:For somebody to ask a question.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:It does get the dialogue going. It does get things going. And the class ended up turning out really, really good like you just said.
Tyler:Oh, yeah.
Danny:It turns out really good. And maybe, like, you're the heel for a moment.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:And with the fact that we're able we do this anyways. Like, we we sound bored where sometimes, like, I'll say something about a camera equipment or about something that I know. I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about. And, there's times when, like, I can see that your brain is actually going as I'm asking the questions that I'm like, yeah. You don't give a shit what
Tyler:I'm saying.
Danny:Right? But we have done work. True.
Tyler:Let me stop you at that. That's not true. I always care care what you say, Dan.
Danny:For sure.
Tyler:I always care.
Danny:But we've been able to soundboard. Yeah. We also have, started the process of working on ourselves, and it does make it easier. And I don't believe that every man has that idea because they because you just have this inner voice that tells you don't say nothing.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Don't say nothing. Just keep keep grinding.
Tyler:What if I
Danny:Keep keep struggling. Keep struggling. Keep struggling. And, like, if you just asked a simple question, the whole thing maybe the whole world would open up
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Of all these, like, things that you could
Tyler:You can't make fun of me if I don't say anything.
Danny:It's so true.
Tyler:I'm so I'm protected. Right? I I'm protected.
Danny:Yep.
Tyler:And these are the same people that get on the keyboard and, you know, type out all kinds of shit on the keyboard. Yeah.
Danny:They well,
Tyler:they can
Danny:They they don't have to, like, look you in the eye as they say things to you, which is great about, like, our academy because we have such these, walk of life of men that bring in, like, this great, energy and these and these different walks of life. I think Mike talked about this the other day, like, how lucky we are that we live in we have this academy where we walk in, these different walks of life, and we are able to, to blend with each other and learn this art where potentially each person has a different way of performing that art because of the different body styles. Yeah. And when you when you put it back into perspective of men's health, you know, we right now, of course, because of the week next week the next week is going to be crazy. Yeah.
Danny:We we get through this week, and I can feel everybody's energy starting to, like, really kinda get, like, nervous. You get once we hit next week and election week starts, it's going to be crazy because we have gotten to a point in our world where, you know, we people tell us how men are supposed to look.
Tyler:Yeah. We have we have this, like we're kind of pussified. I just finished reading Adam Carolla's book, in 50 years, we'll all be chicks, which is funny because he actually wrote the book nearly 25 years ago. Right? And it's like, we do kind of have this like, we've been groomed that, like, let's take the aggressive side out of out of men.
Tyler:Great class, by the way. We ended up covering guillotines and, rear nakeds. And I wanna ask you at some point about the fights over the weekend because I think it plays it plays well into the topic of conversation of, like, finding those dark spaces and finding, like, like, true right of passage. Like, we've neutered the right of passage for for men in in our culture.
Danny:For sure. And and a lot of times, you're you know, if you're I think you talk about this a lot, you know, with with things that talks people telling you that you're a toxic male, a toxic man, or
Tyler:toxic masking women
Danny:in the opinion. I have an opinion, and sometimes, if I voice my opinion and I can tell that the crowd is not, the fact that, like, I'm a man, and I say whatever I wanna say. And, you know, when I when the one of the funniest things that, like, I tell people is, like, I'm about that life. Yeah. I'm about that life.
Danny:I when, you know, the kids say, stand on business, like, I stand on business.
Tyler:I got a hot take. Like, I believe, you know, there is such thing as toxic masculinity. Right? It's it's it's it's absolutely out there. I think masculinity is to men what feminism is to women.
Tyler:Sure. They are the same they're 2 different sides of the same coin. Now granted, there has been this concept of the patriarchy that's been in charge for forever. I don't wanna get into the social and or political reasons behind that. Right?
Tyler:Typically, the stronger of the species is going to dominate.
Danny:Just the way it is.
Tyler:This is just like there's always going
Danny:to be some debate dark. I will debate it with every single person. They're not sending they're not sending everybody with a gun.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Because not everybody has that same ability to turn everything off and be like, cool. It's my job.
Tyler:Yeah. There are there there is always going to be that person that is toxic.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:That is that is that feels downtrodden, that is broken.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:That that potentially will do harm in the effort to gain personally.
Danny:I agree with you.
Tyler:And if they you know, we we we talked a lot about the Native American tribes early on in in the podcast. Right? The the the the warring class of of Native American tribes, If they were bigger than the tribe that had something that they wanted, they just went and took it.
Danny:Just the way it is.
Tyler:And I'm I'm willing to bet you could follow that pattern throughout the epochs of of of humankind.
Danny:Agree with you.
Tyler:Right? And so now we have kind of neutered this sense that we've become we've created such a safe society that, like, we need to, like, dial that back. And and and I'm not saying that because we are in a civilized society that we we haven't dialed it back, but you see something like the fights this weekend, that rear naked choke, that you knocked out his knocked out his teeth, broke his jaw. Like, it was
Danny:had a choke on you where it's on your chin, on your teeth, where you where you go, show me the next day, and you have a bruise Yeah. On the inside of your mouth. Yep. Yeah, dude. Yeah.
Danny:Yeah. When when you do, there are people out there whose soul they say, my job is to break you.
Tyler:Yep.
Danny:If that means that your teeth are knocked out and my teeth aren't, I've done my job.
Tyler:And you see the post fight interview, and you just see this cold person. I'm like, I my my I was I had kinda got chills. I was like, damn. Like, that is animal. That is somebody that you, like, you don't wanna mess with.
Tyler:He stood on business. He's like he's like, yeah. It's it's it's my job. Yeah. Right?
Tyler:He could have tapped earlier and and saved the the job, but, you know, they were fighting for something. They were fighting for this purse money. Now what does that money mean to one person versus what does it mean to to the other?
Danny:Yes. Some people, it's life changing.
Tyler:Right?
Danny:And and I think that with, like, wars that that, like, if I'm fighting for what I believe in, I'm willing to do whatever it takes whatever it takes to protect my and mine.
Tyler:You need me on that wall.
Danny:You need me on that wall.
Tyler:You want me on that wall.
Danny:Right. And I don't I'm you know, this is our platform, so I think about that when next week comes into play. Yeah. Like, I'm thinking, like, who do I want? Maybe I don't agree with some of the things that they say.
Danny:Maybe I don't. But who do I want people outside of this country seen on the line in the interviews when it comes to don't come over here. Yeah. Don't come in here. Don't come into my house.
Danny:Yeah. If you come into my house, there will be actions taken.
Tyler:If you do it the wrong way. And it's that we don't. Because it's not that we don't. We have a process in place. Yes.
Tyler:Maybe that process is broken, but let's address that rather than just write a blank check to people.
Danny:And and I because I serve in the military and because I have a child in the military, I know it's like, hey. My kid is out there.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:He put himself out there, and and he's had action, not where, not where he's carrying a gun and shooting, but he's definitely in an action where somebody's chasing him and the bad guy is chasing them, and it's like, don't stop this car. Yeah. Do not stop this car. Go. Yeah.
Danny:Because if you stop this car, I know what's gonna happen. Yeah. Right? Right. And he also told me, like, there were people on the ground crying as this is going on, and he's looking at them like, this is not going to save you.
Danny:Yeah. Like, let's yes. I know. It's scary. Yeah.
Danny:This is not going to save you. Right. And I think, as you move on and as you think about, like, who do you want next to you next week will become a deciding factor for us for a little while of of how we're viewed. Yeah. You know, and I don't believe that every man has the, has been given the ability for violence.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:But I think every man has the ability for violence.
Tyler:It's it's in there. Some of us have lived such cush lives that we've we've satiated it and and neutered it and put it in a box and said, we're not gonna look in this box.
Danny:And sometimes I think myself, the way that I come off, like, would be perceived as, like, toxic in certain environments, especially if I'm around people who may lean towards one thing. Yeah. And that's where, like, we get into our our topic tonight of ownership. Yeah. You know, of, like, yes.
Danny:Yes. This is who I am.
Tyler:Yep.
Danny:I'm I'm I'm kind. I'm gentle. Mhmm. I'm I'm super understanding. I wanna be your friend.
Danny:But when it comes to ownership, I will own exactly who I am at all times.
Tyler:I'm the warrior in the garden.
Danny:I I know that Mhmm. If you come into my house
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Uninvited Yeah. I may not be the nicest person to you.
Tyler:I think tonight's topic is is especially important, talking about ownership of your life. Like, we've all been in situations where maybe we haven't. Perhaps there's people perhaps there's men or boys living in their basement that are just keyboard warriors. Their mom brings them pizza rolls every night, and and they're safe, and they're they're they're mama's little boy. Like, I I'm I'm sure they're out there.
Tyler:We we we owe it to ourselves to go on a journey to go on a journey. And and a lot of what I believe is the problem we have with masculinity today is that our rights to passage into manhood have completely eroded.
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:There are no there is no walkabout. There is no challenge. There is no test. There is no there is nothing that that that there's no matriculation from from from youth to manhood.
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:And we're we we give we give kids these these social media. They are able to see and access all parts of the world, and and they just they just take it, and they and they run with it.
Danny:And when you're talking about ownership, like, whether it's successes, failures, the in betweens, like, you talked about the line. Like, here's your baseline. You know, if you're having a successful day, all of a sudden you're feeling great. You're gonna have jubilation, and you let's say you're below
Tyler:the line and you're
Danny:having failures and you're, let's say you're below the line and you're having failures and you're blaming other things, other people, other situations for the fact that you have your of of just the fact that life is life is not rainbows.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Right? It's full of failures. Right. It literally is full of failures. And when we mask that by only wanting successes or everybody gets a ribbon, everybody gets an award
Tyler:Right.
Danny:You're not giving the people the ability to have ownership
Tyler:Right.
Danny:To own whatever you're doing. Right. Whatever mistakes you make, whatever successes you have, just have ownership of it. Right. And how how do we find ownership?
Danny:How do we gain ownership? How do we give you and I the ability to be like, hey. This is your life. This is my life. We can find a common ground.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And the ownership is is, like, you're not blaming Danny
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:For the fact that the equipment isn't running correctly. Right. You're like, hey, man. I'm I'm making a mistake, and I need a soundboard.
Tyler:So one of the things I do with my children is their first mistake when they get into their teenage years, I will take whatever is precious to them. Whatever is precious to them becomes mine. And I've had some toxic points, and my daughter can certainly tell you about the time I folded her iPad over my knee out of rage. But I remember, like, one of her first one of her first mistakes, I actually took her phone and said, okay. You can have your phone back, but I gave her a copy of Jocko Willink's extreme ownership.
Tyler:I wrote a little in inscription on in the front, and and I gave it to her, and and she she couldn't get her phone back until she finished reading it. It's not a difficult read.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:But it is by far one of the best books on taking ownership
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:And how taking ownership shapes the systems in which you in which you interact with.
Danny:I agree with you. The framing that Jocko is able to do is about because it because being having an extreme ownership of things is an exception and accepting failure, accepting the fact that, like, that you're going to make mistakes. But then if I blame you for this, if I blame my parents, if I blame my dad because he took away my phone Right. My dad is this asshole. Right.
Danny:I I also liken it to a book called Raising Men. Mhmm. And he said, your kid's on the Xbox, and you don't like it? Grab that Xbox, throw it in the in the pool, and be like, yeah. Go ahead.
Danny:Play it now.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:You know? Same thing. Like Yeah. Yeah. That's this is the way it is.
Danny:Man, you act you act a certain way. Here's the consequences. If you start blaming me for your for your actions, then we haven't gotten to extreme ownership. Yeah. But when we get to ownership, it's it's kind of easy when you take ownership.
Tyler:It's it is liberating in the sense. It is liberating in the sense because you're you you move from a a to me into a for me. And what I mean by that is that, like, there were periods in my life where life was happening to me.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:Oh, I'm going through a divorce. Look what my ex is doing to me. For sure. Yeah. Oh, I didn't get the job.
Tyler:Look what the universe is doing to me. Sure. It does take a significant amount of reframing to say, oh, I'm getting divorced. Good. Now I can go find a partner who's better suited for me.
Tyler:Sure. I didn't get that job. The universe is lining up for a better, a a better opportunity Yeah. For me.
Danny:For me and the idea of this is this is a better path
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:For me Yeah. Is hard, especially, like, as a young man because you see like, let's say you see your friends having successes or people around you having successes and you're not, a lot of times you just don't see your successes. You don't see what's happening. So then you're like, well, that person has this great life, and now jealousy takes over. And instead of accepting who you are and accepting ownership, you start blaming blaming other things and blaming other people for your own insecurities and your own problems.
Danny:Yeah. Right? That's where I struggled with as a young man. I struggled hard owning owning my life. Yeah.
Danny:Everything was because of the fact that I didn't have a dad. Everything was because my mom wasn't the mom. You know, she she couldn't provide me
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Brand issues. I had to work from the time I was 16. Right. Everything was somebody else's fault, but I never was able to take ownership of that. This is just to this is just the cards that I was given, and I'm gonna make the best the best out of it that I possibly
Tyler:And it pull it pulls you it pulls you out of a state of gratitude. And I I will say this until I'm blue in the face, but I really do believe gratitude is the fertilizer for a spectacular life.
Danny:Well said.
Tyler:It it is a fertilizer for a a spectacular life. And if if things are happening to you, then you are you are not grateful for what you have. You are you are seeking I agree. You are seeking from a place of ego and to me, and and you're just in for a world of sadness.
Danny:Yep.
Tyler:And I and I know because I've experienced it. I've certainly have been there. Like, poor me. This happened to me. Poor me.
Tyler:This happened to me. It's it's interesting because it it does kinda boil down to how do we train our our reticular reticular activation system, the part of our brain that filters out all the goddamn information that's that's that's going off. Like, our brain is a supercomputer. If we spend a lot of time in that to me, to me, to me, we then are programmed for to me, to me, to me, and we have to take a significant amount of effort to reprogram that part of your brain. It it is like it's like an addiction.
Tyler:Right? An addiction from a chemical sense, when I get addicted to drugs, I am
Danny:Chasing something.
Tyler:I'm chasing something.
Danny:Yeah. You want that. Like, you're like, man, that made me feel this way, so I wanna feel that way again.
Tyler:Right. And that is the that that is the homeostasis that you you you change. I cannot I cannot maintain homeostasis. And so, you know, one of my one of the four principles I live by is that our brain is hardwired for survival. I agree.
Tyler:And and so we program that survival to look so many different ways. Okay. It it looks different for you than it looks different for me. Each of us as human beings, it it it manifests in what is it? Whatever the population, 8,000,000,000 different different ways to who however you you programmed it.
Danny:Right.
Tyler:Right? And it's based on the system in which you grow up, your parents, your your your influences.
Danny:And it can be it can also go back to just, like, building blocks from your parents' parents Exactly. Like their parents. And so a genetic code does play of
Tyler:Absolutely.
Danny:Being the fact that, like, if your parents struggled, your parents' parents struggled, you're probably gonna be built for struggle.
Tyler:I read this fascinating book too long well, not too long ago. I'd have to go back to remember the name, but he actually the the author did a study amongst, a particular sect of of Jewish folks who went through The Holocaust. The Holocaust. And he can actually tell stories of generations down where memories of being, you know, in the internment camps were passed down to gen like, 2 or 3 generations below where they're waking up and they're like, that wasn't my experience. That was my my grandmother's or my great grandfather's.
Tyler:So you're absolutely right. The the the kind of concept of epigenetics in in those things, I think, is not super mainstream and not very well known, but it just it's absolutely a thing that that happens.
Danny:I think one of the hardest things I I I know that one of the hardest things that my boys sorry. I didn't mean to cut you.
Tyler:No. You're good.
Danny:I think one of the hardest things that my boys go my boys tell me is that I'm so against some of the things that my parents did Mhmm. That I go to extremes when I raise them. Mhmm. Right? Like, if they call me and they're having a bad day, I always say, good.
Danny:Good. Like, just like Jocko. Yeah. Good. Good.
Danny:Having a bad day? Good. Dog left you or dog ran away? Good. Wife left you?
Danny:Good.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Everything is good. Yeah. Good. That's because that's that's gonna build something in you that when shit really gets bad, you're going to be okay. And sometimes my boys will be like, dad, I just want you to listen to what I'm saying.
Danny:And I'm like, I will. I will listen to you. When you're ready, I'll give you advice, but I'm always gonna say good.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Perfect. That's what you yeah. Shit hits the fan. Your car broke down. You can't pay your rent.
Danny:You don't have food. Your your everything is just feels like shit. Good.
Tyler:Yeah. It's interesting because he if you've read the book, he talks a little bit about stress, in in those situations, and he goes, what is stress? Right? Like, sometimes I'm telling you those things because I'm stressed. Well, cool.
Tyler:Stress comes from 1 of 22 things. 1, is it a problem that I can solve?
Danny:Mhmm.
Tyler:And And if it's a problem that I can solve, then it comes from the fact that I haven't just gone out and solved it. So what do I need to do to solve it? Then there's stress of problems that I just I cannot solve. I have no, I know, have no handle on it. We see a lot of anxiety present presents itself that way.
Tyler:Right? So what does it actually mean? Well okay. It means I need to to make a change. Maybe it means means I need to to work out more.
Tyler:Maybe it you know? What is what is the safety my brain is trying to to to perceive or to gain, by by thinking about this kind of stuff? And 2, can I just let it go? Can I let it go for now and realize can I tell myself through mantra, through meditation, through breath work, I can't do anything about this right now? When the time comes and it's appropriate, I will be prepared to deal with this and and and thank yourself for for feeling and experiencing those feelings and those emotions.
Danny:You know, I I my wife is really good about recognizing when I'm stuck in that in that stressful mindset of, like, thinking about things and thinking about things and thinking about, answers to my questions answers to my questions. And she'll say, well, maybe just right now, it's we don't know the answer.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Maybe right now, we're just, like, hanging out. We'll find the answer eventually. We always find the answer. But maybe right now, it's just a day to hang out, not talk about this shit, and just let it be. Yeah.
Danny:Maybe that we don't need to talk about this right now.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And she's been really good about helping with me with that because of the childhood that I had. I was always like, I needed the answer now because I couldn't move on unless I had that answer now, and I'd get stuck. And I didn't know how to redirect my energy, so I'd be in that energy of negativity negativity for a while. Mhmm. And my my first instinct is, of course, to fight.
Tyler:Yeah. You
Danny:know? And especially with drinking, you know, if I if I was stuck in a bad place for that day
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:And I added alcohol on top of that, most likely, I was probably gonna get into a fight because I didn't, I couldn't let go of some of those things. And a lot of times with ownership, I would be blame alcohol for my actions, and I would blame the my childhood, or I blame somebody else for my actions, but they're my actions.
Tyler:It's pretty easy to it's pretty e like, even if you've have you ever done you've done something overtly and been like, I didn't do
Danny:it. Yeah. Right. That wasn't me.
Tyler:That wasn't me. Like, it's pretty easy. And and sometimes it's just the easiest thing to do is just to say, well, you know, the to blame somebody else and we get defensive. Right? We get defensive, and we'd then we start defending our position, right, when it would be just so much easier to just take the l real quick and take the tap and, like, just reset and move on move on.
Danny:Yeah. You know, like, there's all these times when somebody will be like, I didn't do that. My alternate ego
Tyler:Yeah. You
Danny:know, my alternate ego is D Ray. My alternate it wasn't me. That was D Ray that did that. Right. Same person, but D Ray, you could put blame on D Ray Yeah.
Danny:As opposed to put blame on Danny. Yeah. I don't know if you have that or not.
Tyler:I'm Todd Packer.
Danny:Yeah. Todd
Tyler:Packer. The he was the obnoxious character from the office, and I was always he was always the life of the party, but, like, yeah. You drink too much, and you might meet Todd Packer.
Danny:That's right. Right? Same thing. If you drink too much or if I drink too much tequila
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And, my brain is off, D Ray might come out.
Tyler:Todd Packer could be so much fun. He also might run up all he might he might bankrupt you on credit card debt. Yeah. Who knows?
Danny:You don't know. Right. When, when we're talking with men about ownership and we're teaching them, a lot of times, you have to go back to, like, the very basics of just every day. It's almost like lying.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Like, instead of lying, tell, like, the most blunt truth. How do I look today? Like shit. Yeah. You know, don't mask anything.
Danny:Yeah. But when you're a when you have a situation or something that you struggle with, drinking, porn, women, lying, you know, credit card debt or any put it whatever you want for me. The only way to kinda, like, stop that is to be fully the opposite of whatever you're doing. Right? Yeah.
Danny:Same thing with ownership. Take complete ownership of everything. Yeah. I fucked up. My bad.
Danny:Yeah. I don't know how many times I've told you this, but I've started arguments, you know, fights and bullshit. And then when we have a sit down, the first thing I'll say is, hey. I am sorry.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I am so sorry for my actions.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And a lot of times what happens is it lets all of a sudden, you can see on the other person that guard is down.
Tyler:They just drops.
Danny:It drops because they came in ready for a fight. Yep. They were not prepared for an I'm sorry from for Danny's actions. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry I did that.
Danny:I shouldn't have acted like that. I understand that that's a character flaw of myself.
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:And I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but usually what they wanna do is they wanna take some of that ownership Yeah. Back.
Tyler:Yeah. You
Danny:know, they don't want you to take all of the blame. Yeah. They wanna take some of that ownership themselves.
Tyler:Yeah. It it it builds a bridge. Right? You build a bridge by helping people, you know, let their guard down. I I think that's that's absolutely true.
Tyler:I think that's one of the most liberating things you can do is to admit that you were wrong, that you were at fault, to take to take ownership. Sometimes it gets obnoxious because that person is not maybe as in tune. I've definitely had a few scenarios, specifically work scenarios. Even recently, I made a communication error and and sent a quote to somebody, and they saw some numbers that they weren't supposed to see. I mean, relatively harmless.
Tyler:Right? The quote that they got came back much cheaper because the vendor didn't have the opportunity to to put their their numbers to it. Well, it's an easy fix. Right? Like, we can recall that, and and they can put their numbers on, and they can see the actual quote.
Tyler:Unfortunately, the vendor was, like, so incensed by it. You might as you might have thought that I just spit in their mom's face. And it got and it just blows up. I'm gonna get your manager involved, and I'm like, okay. Yeah.
Tyler:I'm I'm sorry. This won't happen again. I'm I'm definitely learning my lesson here. But does there ever come a point where you're, like, you're enabling that shitty behavior after you've taken ownership?
Danny:Man, that's a hard one because I think, like, you're then at that point, you're thinking you're putting yourself in the other person's shoes and trying to what we've talked about already of, like, expecting them to act the way that you
Tyler:act. Right. You're you're trying to teach a lesson when perhaps that person isn't ready, and you just need to keep
Danny:Or holding them to an expectation of your own what the expectation you hold of your child. Yeah. Kinda like what we talked about with, Tristan and the wrestle offs at Yeah. Wrestling where I I expected the other parents to act the way that I was acting Yeah. Or to be the way that I was being.
Danny:Now going back forward, I'd be like, oh, way different, or just instead of, like, giving that person grace Mhmm. And being like, you like you said, you may not be ready for this right now. Yeah. It's cool. Like, I understand.
Danny:Like, I apologize. Hey. I'm sorry for my actions. You're right. You you you should be upset.
Danny:You got you should be upset that you've seen those numbers because I shouldn't have showed those to
Tyler:you. Right.
Danny:But I did. I'll learn from it.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And going forward, I'm gonna know. I'm gonna learn from this. Right? I think as a man, if you expect the person to act the way that you act, you're probably 100% of the time gonna be, let down. Yeah.
Danny:Where I think you see successes is with your children Yeah. For sure with your significant other Yeah. And your wife, girlfriend, friend, whatever Yeah. Where you and I have had some heated
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Heated arguments where we both came in ready for battle Mhmm. And both of our guards are up. And at the end of the day, we both were able to walk away and be like, I know where you came from.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:You know where I came from. We may not have seen eye to eye at that moment Mhmm. But we were able to find grace with each other.
Tyler:There's been some real beauty in that growth for for me as a man. Right? Like, it would be easy for me to die on a sword and be like but there's but there's there's been some real beautiful moments in the growth even in arguments I have with my former partner.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:Even with arguments I have with my children, right, to say, hey. I was wrong. I remember we went to Hawaii last summer before school started. I don't did I tell the story on the podcast before? I don't remember.
Tyler:Everything that could have gone wrong
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler:Went wrong on this trip, like, 5 hour layover in in Honolulu, not really understanding we could have left the airport, come back.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:You know, get to Kauai, and it's a mid 11 o'clock and can't find my credit card.
Danny:I booked Yeah. I remember that.
Tyler:Book the car with, you know, blow up the children for picking on each other in the car. Everything's going bad. Right? The freaking hotel reservation was missing.
Danny:Yeah. And you had to change hotels.
Tyler:I had to change hotels. It was like everything that could and I and I lost it. And I'm like, man, I've done so much work on myself to to have lost it at my kids at that point. You know, and I just I think everybody in the car was crying at one point and, like, because I was just I was angry. We were all tired.
Tyler:We were all exhausted. We all wanted to just enjoy Hawaii, and, you know, we ended up the trip, I think, was great, but, like, I just remember being so disappointed in myself that I let I let myself get to that point. Yeah. And I and I and I took ownership. I'm you know, you you everyone was like, well, Cozy had the credit card, and I'm like, well, why didn't I check I had it before I left?
Tyler:I should have checked. I didn't know that was the rental car policy that you had to have, you know, the actual car you rent your car you rented on file.
Danny:You know, what's funny is I've also been with you on a trip where you've improvised with things instantly, and the the trip turned out better because of your improvisation. And you're like, hey, man. I know that I booked this car, but this is not working. I'm not waiting in this line. That line is shorter.
Danny:I'm going there. Dude, that turned out unreal Right. To us.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:We did not wait in line. There No. There was a line that was insane.
Tyler:The car was cheaper. The car was cheaper? It was brand new.
Danny:The people were
Tyler:way nice with.
Danny:And all those people that were standing in line, we walked past them, like, how come they're not doing the same thing? Right. But you took the reins, and we were all like, this is awesome. Yeah. You know?
Danny:And having ownership Yeah. Whether it's bad and it turns out bad and we learn from it before it turns out good. Next thing you know, it's better. Yeah. You get to have, like, men.
Danny:It's it you keep your your line never going too high, never going too low. Yeah. I think with your family, especially, like, they, no matter what, are gonna give you grace, but they are so appreciative when you accept ownership of Yeah. I should not have fucked that up. Yep.
Danny:I I tell my boys all the time. I know that you give me grace. I know that you give me passes.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Both my boys could whoop my ass. They both could until, like, if I needed to stand on business. Yeah.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Like, hey, man. If you meet your dad, I'm probably gonna fight dirty.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:But we you know both my boys. Yeah. They're tough as shit. Yeah. And they also are so opinion so opinionated.
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:And sometimes, people get a little I can see in their eyes that they're like, man, these dudes are 3 of them? 3? This opinion? Holy shit. But both my boys will Braxton, especially, because of some of the things he's went through, very, very, very, very extreme ownership.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Tristan, it is the thing that we are working the most on with him. I remember, like, times that you've told me, you need to do you need to do this with him.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:You need to do this with him. And there's been times where I'm, like, fight back at you.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Like, that's my kid.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:But I've always been like, no. Don't. Don't. Tyler's not attacking me. No.
Danny:He's giving me advice because he sees things from a different perspective, and I've always been like, I appreciate that.
Tyler:Dude, and we see the growth. We see the growth. Like, even at the rink the other day, like, I walked into the office, and I'm like, woah. Tristan, not only did he have, like, what he wanted to get done to hold himself accountable for that day, it was, like, all checked off when you, like, went and you looked at the stuff, and you were just like, damn.
Danny:Can was hard for me. Right? I mean, that day that that day that you kind of, like, told me, hey. You need to do this with Tristan. You need to be this with Tristan.
Danny:I was like, my ears were burning. My hair was on fire, and I was like, what in the world? And I and I remember thinking, like, thank you so much. Thank you for being such a powerful man to know that I needed to hear that from a different perspective. And that happens a lot because Tristan is around my friends so many times, you know, where they see things that I don't see, and they give me advice.
Danny:And I'm like Yeah. You know, if I if I'm in a moment, I may take it wrong. But if I have ownership, if I take ownership, if I'm if I'm accepting and I'm willing to accept your guidance as a man Yeah. You are you don't have negative context to it. You only have Right.
Danny:Like, this is what I want to see for you as a man.
Tyler:It brings it back full circle too. Right? Because there's been times too where you've given me advice about my my children that I've heeded, and it's like, it it pays off. And it's not always what you want
Danny:to hear.
Tyler:And and and sometimes the fault is on the deliver of the messages the message too. Right? Like, messages can be construed. Messages can be not delivered correctly. It's about taking a taking a breath and, like, getting through it.
Tyler:Does it does this relationship matter to me? You know, if the relationship doesn't matter to you, if if it's already kind of a contentious relationship, you know, there there may be points where it's just like, I don't care.
Danny:I'm going
Tyler:to war with you.
Danny:I agree. Yeah.
Tyler:You know? And Yeah. And these happen. You're standing on that business.
Danny:Stand on business.
Tyler:You're standing on that business. Yeah. But if that relationship matters to you, you know, you'll find ways to to work through the hurt. And I think that again, I will I'll say this again. Like, that is the mark of true good relationships is your ability to work through and find repair in those moments where that feedback has has gone gone negative, and you you guys aren't you're not seeing eye to eye.
Danny:And ownership of that moment Mhmm. Is gonna give you some clarity that will impact you when shit does hit the fan. Yes. Right? When shit hits the fan and you need guidance, you need space, you need somebody to be on your side.
Danny:If you've if you've done your job, I'm gonna fight a 100% for you, and you're not gonna fight by yourself. You're not gonna fight against by your anybody by yourself. You're gonna fight we're gonna fight together.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Right? And we're gonna have a a common, end goal. Yeah. Right? And that's what I think men need to work on.
Danny:And I think having extreme ownership and everybody going to a common goal Yeah. Is going to give you so much clarity in your life.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:But start in small doses. You know? Just take take ownership of the day. Take ownership of the moment. Take ownership of of an argument.
Danny:Mhmm. You know? And I know I've told you a bunch of times, like, what what did you bring to the fight? What did you bring to the fight? Can you just find Yeah.
Danny:Clarity in what you brought
Tyler:to the fight?
Danny:Yeah. And sometimes you're like Oh. Yeah. Other times, you're like, you're right. Yeah.
Danny:You know?
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. I I think especially in prolonged prolonged, wars of attrition. Right? You have to start taking more and more ownership and understand, like, are the casualties we're sustaining worth it, whether that be just your own mental health or the relationships that you're destroying or or or that are in disrepair in that in that, like, super fascinating conversation.
Tyler:I think the other thing you've taught me too is to just be kind on yourself.
Danny:Please.
Tyler:Because sometimes taking ownership does not feel the best.
Danny:Oh my
Tyler:gosh. Sometimes it feels like a real kick in the corners.
Danny:Kick in the nuts. Right? And then ask lots of questions.
Tyler:Get fucking curious.
Danny:Be the person that's like even if you even if you're like, I'm have no Guion, and I'm gonna ask you how to baseball chokes me.
Tyler:Yeah. Baseball bat choke.
Danny:Yeah. But, I mean, like, there's ways to do it. Let's figure out a way to do it. You know? Be curious.
Danny:Be curious. Like, just ask questions. Find comfortable soundboards.
Tyler:Yeah. Find Find your tribe. Start finding your tribe. Fail.
Danny:Fail a 1000000 times.
Tyler:My favorite acronym for fail is first attempt at learning.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:1st attempt at learning. Every time you fail. Okay. So maybe not the second time or the third time, but, like, yeah, your first maybe you'd maybe you tweaked it. Right?
Tyler:Like, there's there's you know?
Danny:We're gonna fail. We man, this was Tyler, that worked out so well. I'm so glad that we sound boarded before because I think it opened up our minds for the conversation. Being back in the studio to me is, like, amazing because I was I, watched a couple of things on YouTube where I'm looking at their setup, and I'm like, man, our setup at the studio is amazing. Yeah.
Danny:Plus, we have the bus. The bus. Plus, we're able to use some of the academy when we have Yes. Members on. I think that this was one of those podcasts where we hit the topic the way that we wanted
Tyler:it to. Yeah.
Danny:You know, we were we really this next week by when this comes out, it will be Friday, and I believe that we'll know Yeah. What's gonna happen. Yeah. I believe that we know what's gonna happen. I hope that everybody's kind to each other.
Danny:I hope everybody's generous to each other. I hope that everybody understands that we have one fight, and that is to protect our country Mhmm. To protect our people Mhmm. Protect our children. And whoever that is in the office, let's support them to the best of our ability.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Let's not fight anymore.
Tyler:But it's it's so it's such a I always get so frustrated at this because I'm fairly apolitical. Right? Like, I I tend to like to read
Danny:I'm not. Disoriented.
Tyler:I tend to like to read up. Like, I could give like, I'm I will admit I had voted for Kanye West. I still think he would be the best president. Guy's a fucking genius. Yeah.
Tyler:He may be a bit mental, but, like, honestly, like, I don't you know? And we're not a political podcast, and I don't wanna get into this as we're wrapping up, but, like, we are gonna know. I I I believe in being involved. And as I have an 18 year old daughter who's voting for the first time, I want her to be involved. Even if she doesn't love either of the candidates, just get involved.
Danny:Get involved.
Tyler:If you don't get involved, you don't have a right to bitch.
Danny:Do not complain to me if you do not vote.
Tyler:Right? Right? Even if you throw away your vote and vote for Kanye West.
Danny:Don't tell me shit if you didn't vote.
Tyler:Yeah. Exactly.
Danny:Agreed. So let's be kind to each other. Let's remember to have ownership of what you've done, what you did. Ask lots of questions. Find somebody that you can talk to that you trust.
Danny:Right. Find a soundboard. If you are having crazy thoughts in your brain, get them out
Tyler:so
Danny:they don't sound so crazy because those will manifest. Yes. Keep your baseline baseline.
Tyler:Yeah. Get some help if you need it.
Danny:Call us.
Tyler:I'd I'd much rather much rather, you know, bear the cost of your your tears than than the the weight of your confidence. I agree.
Danny:With you.
Tyler:I agree. Thank you so much, Danny. I appreciate the conversation. What you
Danny:got going on next week?
Tyler:Next week, man.
Danny:Or coming up because we got the election coming up, and so we're gonna be voting. I'm
Tyler:gonna be voting. I'm running rolling a lot of jujitsu. I gotta make some decisions about heading down to Durango. I need a week out of town. I need a week out of town.
Tyler:I love Durango. I love Durango too. I I I'm tempted to throw the rooftop tent back on and, like Oh,
Danny:you told me this.
Tyler:You know, I can work from anywhere, so, like, maybe I'll be working from the middle of the desert in Moab. I just don't know how warm it'll be. I'm a little bit concerned if I'll be warm enough in the tent. And as much as I love the tent, I also like being comfortable. So, we'll see.
Tyler:Cool. What about you? What you got going on?
Danny:I'm hoping to purchase my sauna this week.
Tyler:I'm hoping you purchased it.
Danny:When I purchased it. I've got I've got to make a phone call tomorrow. I I'm pretty positive of which one I'm picking. I'm hoping that they will allow us to say their name, say the one that I'm using, and then use them as a, just use the platform that we have to promote them. Not that I'm looking for anything from them, but I don't wanna, like if if I I want you to benefit me Yeah.
Danny:As I benefit you, let's help each other out. Yeah. They have a killer deal right now. And so, hopefully, the next podcast, I will tell the song that I'm gonna buy. We've decided that we're gonna how we're gonna do the backyard for, spring for spring next year, putting in some trees and some things and some Nice.
Danny:Some for the for the song and the cold plunge. Winter's here, so I'm gonna go into hibernation.
Tyler:Hibernation.
Danny:I'm gonna hibernate in the wrestling room. I've been on more phone calls, more Zoom meetings, more Snapchats than I have in a while trying to get the, wrestling direction the way that I wanted to go. Tripp and I are, really active in it, so that's kinda nice. And so I have meetings the next 3 days, meeting with gear, meeting with, some some people that are gonna help us fund the program, and then hopefully work that into the spring season funding the the the the club.
Tyler:I'm excited to come to some meets.
Danny:Excited too. We have some cool stuff that we're gonna do for Park City.
Tyler:I'd love to I'd love to come in and work on my stand up game.
Danny:Park City rest. Let's go. Park City jujitsu. Come see us on Sunday. Yeah.
Danny:Open mats.
Tyler:Open mats. Mayhem on the mat.
Danny:Mayhem on the mat.
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Danny:At cabo.thebus if you wanna use the bus as a, prop. Yep. You take pictures with it. We'll come set it up. We'll Tyler and I'll come hang out.
Danny:We'll set it up for you guys. We're gonna put an ad page for it. We are gonna use, you're more than welcome to camp in it if you want. I'll set it up for you. Can't drive it.
Danny:You can't do anything, but you can hang out in a vintage VW bus for the night. Sweet. And we'll set it up for you. We'll we'll show you the things that you need. And, yeah, we're just growing the brand, growing the Nice.
Danny:Growing our population, and keep growing as a community.
Tyler:Yep. Alright. Cheers, everybody. We'll catch you next time.
Danny:Cheers.
