Principles, Conflict, and Community
Yo, welcome Here we are. Back again. Back again.
Tyler:Trying to get in the rhythm. Yeah. Find find find a new a new new
Danny:Yeah. Normal. Yeah. Your your new normal and your new how we're gonna do things. We're back to just podcasting every other week, which is good.
Danny:Yeah. Creating content and getting back to the thing that we love the most, which is hanging out and training and Yeah. And being around each other and being around the mat or our friends. Yeah. Tonight was fun.
Danny:It's a nice one. Cheers.
Tyler:Yeah. Cheers.
Danny:Thanks for your help today. Thank you. Appreciate you.
Tyler:Yeah. Those kids are fun. Those girls, man.
Danny:Those girls. Dude, that's insane,
Tyler:Dude, the one her face her face, she'd
Danny:Oh, yeah.
Tyler:She'd snarl, and I could tell she was getting in the other girl's head.
Danny:Gangster. Yeah. We had we for my classes on Thursday, they're really, really long. You were able to see what I go through with, like, those two classes. I always Mike and I talk about it a lot because he teaches Wednesday day Mhmm.
Danny:And teaches Wednesday, all kids classes, and then Wednesday night. And by the time we usually get him on Wednesday night, he's pretty he's pretty beat up Yeah. From competing. It's a lot. Right?
Danny:And so my Thursdays, I go to work, and then I come in and I teach that 04:00 class, which is a little guy's class. Mhmm. And it takes every bit of your CPU unit to stay engaged, to not lose your patience, to laugh, to keep them interested because it's so boring for them. Some of those kids have been there doing the same thing. You could see that Jackson kid.
Danny:He's just like, oh, we have to do this again. But it's like, yeah, we have to do this until it's almost damn perfect. Right? Yeah. And then you have young kids.
Danny:Reeve is four, hit that. Yeah. And he was one of the better listeners Yeah. Of the group. Right?
Danny:Yeah. And so my brain has to stay engaged. But then that next class comes in and they're so fun. They're so good to be. They're such cool kids, but the two girls were going at it.
Danny:And I I made them stay in for every round Yeah. Because no submissions, and they went at each other every round.
Tyler:Every time. They
Danny:No back down. No no no backing down from each other and just going at each other. And I was like, hey, no submission case. You're back in. You're going.
Tyler:Keep going.
Danny:And what a fun little group of kids, you know, and then the adults come in and and then your brain has to turn on for adults. And and and we have a curriculum on on some of those nights where you're like, we have to cover these things. We have to make sure that we cover them. And I think that I'm getting better at the adults being engaged in what I'm teaching.
Tyler:I think you did great tonight. I think you did great. I really enjoyed the class. Like, was good it was good, like, little refresher. Like, I know we learn that white to blue all the time.
Tyler:And in a lot of ways when I first started jujitsu, I felt that same way as those little kids, you're like, oh, we're doing
Danny:the white to blue again. Again. Oh,
Tyler:we're doing We're doing headlock escapes. Yeah. But like it makes sense, right? Like you have you ever been in any sort conflict. Right?
Tyler:You realize that like, pretty quickly your brain goes to like fight or flight and mush. So if you haven't learned to regulate that part of your system, if you haven't learned to kind of breathe through the initial feelings, you're stuck in reaction mode. Yeah.
Danny:For
Tyler:sure. You don't have you don't have the opportunity to to kind of higher level think and that's the beauty of jujitsu.
Danny:It is. That's And and we've talked about this before that like sometimes, you know, where jujitsu has gone on social media, I'm not a big fan of it. You know? Yeah. I love watching the old school guys.
Danny:I love watching the new school guys. I like their I like some of the stuff that they do. But all the drama and the bullshit that they bring to the table and all the the personalities and all the, like, social media bullshit, I'm not a fan of it, you know. And it and it turns me off from social media because I'm like, I don't I don't I don't care to engage in things like that. Right?
Danny:Like, I'm not a jiu jitsu to to be a a person. Yeah. A personality. Yeah. The problem is is I have a big personality.
Danny:Right? Yeah. Everybody at the academy knows who Danny is. Yep. Right?
Danny:Yeah. But I hope what they know is that I preach self defense, staying healthy Yeah. And staying on the mats as long as you can. And Yeah. And focusing on that.
Danny:And and when you have things that you went through, like, get back to the mat because then you're gonna be so much happier tonight
Tyler:I know.
Danny:And Yeah. How we do things, you know. And and when at the end of the day, our bodies change, our minds change, everything changes when you when you surrender to Mhmm. To something like that, to a discipline. Right?
Danny:Yeah. Everything changes. The way you outlook and things, it changes.
Tyler:And it's it's easy to, like, once you break the streak of going, like, for my my in my specific case, right, like not being on the mat. You you're completely demotivated. You are I'm starting from ground zero. Sure. I'm starting from ground zero building that habit over again Yeah.
Tyler:Which sucks because jujitsu is a passion of mine. Like I've I've I've enjoyed it on multiple levels. People always ask me like why jujitsu and I'm like, mentally it was the best thing for me. Physically, it's completely changed my body. And then we're not even talking about like the benefits of just kind of regulating the nervous system, knowing how to defend myself.
Tyler:Right? It's all of these things combined. The community that
Danny:How stoked was everybody to see you did it?
Tyler:Oh, yeah. It was awesome.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:It was awesome. I love I mean, I I loved it. It it
Danny:It's exactly what you
Tyler:needed. Yeah. I I felt like after being at home, I'm kind of now to this point where I'm off a cycle of treatment. And for for what it's worth, like, I'm I'm I'm I should be like normal right now. Right?
Tyler:I I'm not, but like, I have no nothing no draws on my time from a a treatment standpoint. Only need to kind of just rest and kind of, like I said, learn to live in this new normal. Mhmm.
Danny:Yeah. And and that's a big because jujitsu was such a big part of your life and how you were regulating and self regulating and not having it, it it it's like that longing for something. Right? And and you have longings for for things like, you know, learning. I've been really, really thinking about, like, learning, like, constantly learning, constantly learning, putting myself Mhmm.
Danny:In positions where I'm always learning. Never taken, like, a I got this role. Yeah. Like, I have this. I've got this down.
Danny:Even at work, like, you know, the last couple of weeks, I've been like, no, just learn. Just like be in a learning state at all times. Don't don't ever feel like you've got things figured out. Yeah. You know?
Danny:And how how how do we do that? How as men do we stay in that learning state when your life is and and your family requires you to be the the leader all the time, you know, the pack leader.
Tyler:Yeah. Well, I mean, I I think you're absolutely right. I think that's the beauty of jujitsu, right? It forces you to constantly be learning because the moment the minute you think that you you know or you have it all, you know, a Craig Jones pops up or a Gordon Ryan pops up, right? And they've they make a fool of you.
Danny:And you know what's funny is along those topics is that those guys, they're it it seems like sometimes that there's they're always changing academies, always changing things in their life. And so then, is it that they is it is it the is it the reality that they are talented and they're young and they're, like, got got this ability. Right? But do they have do they have it figured out enough to be in a learning state for themselves? Right?
Danny:But because it always seems like and they're at a different academy. They're never, like, they're never with a place longer than a couple years. You know, you have all those the drama that happens with with all those big personalities where Mike and I were talking about it yesterday, and you figure that guy's been at the same place with the same thing for twelve, thirteen years. Right? Mhmm.
Danny:And it sometimes, you know, it seems like the academy is pretty small. But maybe that's the way you like it. Maybe that's why. It's because there's so much loyalty and so much like, we give so much to each other. We wanna be good friends and partners to each other.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:It would be hard to walk into that. Yeah. As an outsider.
Tyler:Yeah. Oh, I I I can only imagine. I can only imagine. I I wonder like how do you handle like when you come into some information, new information that conflicts with perhaps how you've previously seen the world. Yeah.
Tyler:I'm I'm I'm wondering because I've I've dealt with this situation recently in in my school studies. Right? I'm just we're studying the the difference between modernist and post modernist kind of therapeutic models. And what's interesting is that I see these two models, and I'll explain them here in a sec, they really do kind of reflect back to me kind of the current state of affairs. So modernist would kind of be a a view of the world that, you know, there's kind of absolute truth, you know, the the therapist is kind of a authority figure.
Tyler:They have a particular set of skill skills. The the you know, they will treat a presenting problem with a, you know, a specific treatment. Right? You'll do x, y, and z. Whereas a postmodernist is there's no there's no singular truth.
Tyler:Everybody's truth is is their truth.
Danny:It's yours. Sure.
Tyler:Yeah. And so like for me, I've had a lot of like growing up LDS. I've I've I'm really deconstructing some of this stuff for a couple of reasons. One is I see you know, we see things like DEI. Right?
Tyler:Diversity Equality. Equality and inclusion. Inclusion. Right? Forever that's been like a huge a huge thing.
Tyler:And I'm like, for me, DEI was never very principled. Right? Because when you put somebody on a pedestal and you say this person deserves this because previously they haven't had it, you're doing the exact thing that you don't want people to do. Right.
Danny:Well, and it's and and interesting enough, like, for all intents and purposes, like, you know, I'm a person of color. Right. Right? And so people, like, give DEI as far as, like, for myself, but I in my personal personal belief. Right?
Danny:Yeah. I don't believe that I've gotten anything anything because of my because of my couple.
Tyler:So here's here's an I mean, this this so that's fascinating because I was gonna ask this this question as well. There are women that are feminists.
Danny:For sure.
Tyler:There are women that aren't feminists.
Danny:Agreed.
Tyler:Are there men that are not included as part of the patriarchy?
Danny:I would say yes. I would say yes. I would say that there are men that don't know what it's like to be a patriarchal figure. Right. Patriarchal figure.
Danny:Because let's say let's say that my wife is the breadwinner. Right. Right? And my wife makes the money. Right.
Danny:Right? And she, for all intents and purposes, gets to make a lot of decisions. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
Danny:So let's say you as a man have to take a backseat role to your wife who who makes money. Then let's say she says, no. No. No. You can make the decisions.
Danny:And then it feels like, oh, you're giving me you're giving me the ability to make Yeah. Oh, you're giving that to me. Right? So patriarch let's say, you know, let's say a gut a gay couple. Right.
Danny:Right? Yeah. I mean, you know, how how can they be patriarchal if there's no children involved?
Tyler:Right. Well, I mean, that you would say that they benefited from, you know, being males in a male dominated world. And I'm like, I'm with you, I agree. I don't know I don't know that like feminist or not, I don't think that women would agree. Yeah.
Tyler:I would be surprised. I mean, I I have not surveyed any women. I'm not here to speak for women, but I kind of get this impression from what I see in the nightmare that is social media, what I in the nightmare that is kind of the the the dating scene scene that's out there, that there's a lot of there's a lot of women that are being coming emboldened in like this, the feminist movement. And and from from my perspective, I see feminism for me, feminism is to to women what the patriarchy is to men. Sure.
Tyler:And so
Danny:We'll be in and so, like, let's say let's say there's a woman, and, you know, and I don't I don't and my own, you know, you know my views on things. Right? I have a very strong opinion about things, and I don't wanna turn people off of how I feel. Sure. Because my opinions are very strong about certain things.
Danny:Right. Right? But to be a feminist doesn't mean that you have to have testosterone and to boat to beat your chest. Right. As soon as you start doing that, that's a different that's a different energy.
Danny:Yeah. Right? But to have beliefs and to have strong beliefs and have strong values in what a woman's role is Yeah. Is very can be very feminist. And I believe in that.
Danny:I believe in that. Same thing with patriarchal. Yeah. I believe that you can be strong as a man Mhmm. And and know your role.
Danny:Right?
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:And to understand that, like, there's some people that are going to run at the fire Mhmm. And there's gonna be some people that sit back and make sure that everybody stays behind the fire line. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
Danny:We all have our jobs to do. Right? Yeah. And again, my opinions are very strong about certain things. Yeah.
Danny:With the way social media and the way that platforms allow you to voice your opinion without any kind of reprimand or any kind of back talk or any kind of like let's say I have a different opinion, and then you raise your voice, I raise my voice, you raise your voice, but we're doing it on a keyboard. Right. There's a difference there. That's a different. If we're standing in front of each other, I'm like, we wouldn't be talking like that to each other Yeah.
Danny:If we were standing
Tyler:Sure.
Danny:In front of each other. Yeah. Yeah. Even sometimes, like, you know, with my relationships with certain women. Mhmm.
Danny:It's like, you're you're not allowed to talk to me like that. Yeah. And I and I'll be very blunt, like, hey. Because I can't talk to you in the same way. Right.
Danny:Right? Because then your husband has to get involved, and now me and your husband have conflict all over the fact that you chose to take a tone with me or say words to me that I don't agree with Yeah. And I would not reciprocate back to you. Right. And I try to say that very calmly.
Danny:And sometimes, I come off as chauvinistic
Tyler:Right.
Danny:As that women don't get a voice. Right. That's not what I'm saying. We yeah. Not what I'm saying.
Danny:I'm just saying that we have different roles in life.
Tyler:Well, and I think out of out of respect. Right? Like, you wouldn't necessarily, like, I wouldn't corner some somebody's wife. I wouldn't corner Misty and like Sure. You know what I mean?
Tyler:In or chew her ass or like, you know what I mean? Like, I I keep it pleasant. I'm I'm I'm kind. If she needs help with something, I'd help her, but like, my relationship is is with you and by extension of my relationship with you
Danny:Agree.
Tyler:I I I honor her role in your life.
Danny:Agree.
Tyler:But I'm not like you you know what I mean? Like, I'm not Yeah. We I'm not there to like
Danny:We've had an incidence where people have reached out to me over certain people and I had to remind them like, hey. Yeah. But it's not cool to me. Like, you're not allowed to talk to me like that
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:About about this person because Yeah. You should probably talk to my wife about that. Yeah. Not me because I'm going to have a different tone than my wife. Which And and that extension of like, I I value who you are.
Danny:Yeah. So remember that. But I don't I don't personally live in that world where we get to talk to each other like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Especially with between men and women's relationship.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I would agree, we can
Danny:you were saying.
Tyler:Yeah. We have civil discourse. Right? We have a civil discourse, but it there is a boundary that probably needs to be drawn, and I don't want I don't want the perception of that boundary being violated in any way.
Danny:In any way. On my own accord or yours? Yeah. Yeah. My my own things.
Danny:And so then you think think about, like, some of those personalities and some of those things that that come out on keyboard or, like Yeah. You know, they're talking and I'm thinking, would you say that if we were sitting across from each other? And then if I said something back to you, are you okay with my with my how passionate I am about Yeah. What what I believe, you know, how I believe in. And and my wife understands how I believe.
Danny:My wife understands that about me. And sometimes she'll say, woah, woah, woah, you know Yeah. That you're coming off pretty aggressive and pretty chauvinistic and I'll have to rethink. And sometimes if I'm in a mood, I'll be like, well, that's the way it is, you know? Yeah.
Danny:That's the way it is. That's that's the way that's way I think. There is That's the I believe.
Tyler:There is a first principle rule. Right? Like, we can be what what I think we've tried to do as a society is really we've tried to legislate we've tried to legislate equality. And I get it. Sometimes with if something is so out of balance, you may need to step in and and correct the balance so things become more balanced.
Tyler:But I think if you you continue to poke at it, it will ultimately slide the other way. And and so we've created all these rules and we've tried to create we've tried to create a universal truth for everybody via these rules. Meanwhile, we're all trying to say, look at me, look at me, I'm equal. I'm different. Accept my view.
Tyler:Accept my view. No. Look at my view. Your view doesn't matter. My view, my view, my view.
Tyler:Right? Like, and that's kind of what I see in these in some of these community in some of these communities. Right? Like I don't have a problem with with, you know, somebody's sexual orientation or their desire to to to transition genders. I don't.
Tyler:What you do with your life is you on you. It's when you now start forcing me when you when you tell me when you tell me there is no such thing as as as universal truth, but you also have to now accept
Danny:my truth.
Tyler:You now have to start calling me my my pronouns, but but universal. There's no there's no universal truth.
Danny:And, like You and I have talked about this before that you and I don't practice those at home. No. We don't practice that kind of, like, we are kind. We are genuine. We are, like, I accept you for who you are.
Danny:Yeah. But I do not practice some of these things at home that you're requiring of me. Same with you. You're like you're like, I don't I I if you look like a duck, you're a duck. Yeah.
Danny:Sorry. That's just the way my life is. Right. Right? And we practice those things.
Danny:And so how how when you think about, like, going back to your original original bringing up this topic Yeah. Would you consider yourself modern or postmodern? Oh, and when you're studying, do you see yourself as, like, this is gonna be this would be really weird if I got somebody that I didn't a client that I'm like, I don't know how to deal with you because we're different we have different ideas.
Tyler:Yeah. Think I think that's one of the biggest things. Right? As a one of the reasons I decided to kind of go with marriage and family therapy is because I was excited, not necessarily excited by the idea, but I felt like I needed the the credential. I felt like I needed the credential because the credential helped add credibility.
Danny:I see. And
Tyler:and basically, what I'm learning in school is that like, really in a postmodern world, like, it's not important. Sure. What's important is being able to hold space and and I can see benefits for both. Because the last thing I would want to do and and I only because I've had great therapists myself, the last thing I would want to do is just continue to get somebody stuck in their confirmation bias.
Danny:Oh, sure.
Tyler:And I I feel like I feel like in a in a in a world at large today, we we are doing that.
Danny:Well, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that, like, you feel like you have to validate a lot of validation comes validation really matters right now. Yeah. Yeah. Like, validating validating things. Like, you know me the way that I deal with my boys and children.
Danny:Like, if your feelings are upset, like, I don't validate your feelings. Yeah. You know, I don't validate.
Tyler:Well, you shouldn't.
Danny:Hey. We gotta we gotta move on from this. Let's move on. Right? But when we go and we validate all little tiny things and we give, you know, young children the ability to make decisions quickly on something that could affect their life along not today, but fifteen years from now, but I'm validating it right now.
Danny:Yeah. We give almost a loaded weapon to them. Yeah. Yeah. And, know, validation really it does matter sometimes.
Danny:Right? Yeah. But there's times when it's gotta be like, no. Yeah. No.
Danny:Yeah. That's no. No. That's not the way you think about it. No.
Danny:You're thinking about it wrong. No. You're you're approaching this wrong. And strong male figures sometimes have to say, no. Yeah.
Danny:Oh. Yeah. No. Sorry. That's not the way life is.
Danny:Yeah. No. Be tougher.
Tyler:And it's okay to take a stance and then and come back to it and say, oh, I've I've changed my mind or I've I've got new information.
Danny:Yeah. And we've talked about this before, like having a pillow in a hand. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:Like having a pillow, like having a pill a pillow, like having somebody that you can go to and be in a pillow and being like, man, I need some comfort right now. Yeah. But then sometimes, there comes the hand with because life is tough sometimes. Yeah. And as a single father, sometimes you've gotta pick and choose whether you're the pillow in the hand.
Danny:Because you said before, with the girls, you tend to be sometimes a pillow. With Ben Mhmm. It's like, there's no way. Yeah. No.
Danny:Your job is to be the hand. Yeah. Right? And Yep. Then go to the mom for the pillow.
Danny:Yep. You know? Yep. And I think validation comes in lots of forms. And I think, like, ways of looking at things, to you and I because of where we stand.
Danny:I always believe this. If you have a religious background, there's nothing you can do about that. Right. You're going to still feel those religious ideologies and ties. Yep.
Danny:Even if you do not believe in the religion, you believe
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:In what God said and what he has preached. In some way or form, you believe that you that God put you here for purpose
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:As a man. Yeah. And and and and there's nothing you can do about that. Right. Whether you believe it or not.
Danny:Yeah. Believe it not. Like, there's nothing you can do. You could denounce as much as you want, and in the back of your mind, no, that's probably not how I feel.
Tyler:Yeah. It's so it's so
Danny:You know?
Tyler:It's so interesting. I don't know if you've watched any of the, like, the lives of Mormon House, like, the true lives of Mormon House. It's absolutely garbage TV. And I've only watched it because I come you know what I mean? I come from that space and I hear these people.
Tyler:There's an episode in this second season where one of the one of the influencers has is talking with her mother and her father. And they're all very active in the Mormon church. And they're talking about how this young lady now has a child with a dude she had a one night stand with that kind of developed into this really toxic relationship that's been kind of the center of the TV show. And the dad storms out and he basically she he basically yells, he's yelling at the daughter, you slept with him after three days. What does that say about you?
Tyler:And he storms out of the room. And so, like, you've if you get on in social media, all the post Mormon people that are, like, they're saying, oh, what a what a fucking asshole this guy is. What a, you know, this is the this is the patriarchy. And I'm like, I mean, in in a way, I kinda agree he could have worded it better. Right?
Tyler:Like, he probably shouldn't have told his daughter that. At the same time, like, he's only describing her actions. Yeah. Right? Like Yeah.
Tyler:I don't I don't want to be rude, but at the same time, like, if you don't like how people are going to describe that or talk about it, then why are you doing it?
Danny:Then don't do it.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And and it it it comes down to, like, our moral compass and our moral values. Right. Right? There's nothing we can do about that. Mm-mm.
Danny:There's literally nothing we can do about it. We can fight it all we want. We can we can denounce it as much as we want, wake up the next day and still realize we have those moral compasses. We have those moral values. Right.
Danny:And when people take it out of context or, like, if I say something to you and it's from my own moral grounds, and the other part is judgmental. That's that's where people, like, take it the wrong way is, like, it comes off as judgmental. Right? Like, like, you know me, like, I have I do have a strong faith in certain things. Mhmm.
Danny:But I also believe a lot of other things. And I also, like, take a lot of other things into account before I pass judgment on people. Right. I also don't preach my own testimony.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:You know, like, that that's one thing that I I I struggle with with LDS people.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:Is it's like, they always have a testimony. They always have a testimony. You always have, this is my testimony. And I think, okay, I get that. But you also have lots of vices Mhmm.
Danny:Lots of sins that go against whatever you're saying on your testimony, you know. And that's why I don't prophesize.
Tyler:It's it's it's interesting because I've I've def I see that. Right? And I've definitely been a part of that and I've definitely proselyzed, you know what I mean? Like, for for that particular group. And I've had to I've had to step back and I'm I have gotten really comfortable and really okay with not knowing the truth.
Tyler:Not like, it's so freeing to be able to say, I don't know. And and I don't have to know what the truth is. That's a problem. We're hung on this truth. You know, the concept of truth is is is where I've really kind of been tumbling and that's why I bring up this postmodernist modernist kind of theme for today because it it comes down to truth.
Tyler:What is truth? Yeah. If you're telling me there is no absolute truth, there's only subjective truth, then is that really truth? Yeah. Because truth to me is universally accepted.
Tyler:Sure. And it's universally accepted so that we can live in a world that is a little bit more peaceful, that has a little bit more rules. Right? The universal the universal truth would be that the speed limit out in front of my house is whatever it is, 35 miles
Danny:an hour.
Tyler:Right? And we all agree to it. We may not always follow the rules Yeah. We'll do our best but the universal accepted truth is that it's 35 and we get along as a society in general when people kind of obey and and go by those those those rules. Sure.
Tyler:I mean, that's that's just kind of one one example that I've I've I've I've been kinda stewing on.
Danny:You know what's funny about for me for truth when I hear truth?
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I always think about math.
Tyler:Oh, yeah.
Danny:I always think of like like, math. Yeah. Like, how to get to how math, like, math and all of these formulas and all of these principles and all these things. And they're they always talk about the truths of the truths like And that always, like, ground that always I think about, like, how many branches can grow off of, like, math, like, anything to do with math and, like.
Tyler:That's interesting. You're you're absolutely right. Right? No matter how you do, there there's always one answer.
Danny:One Yeah. Yeah. Formulas and I do this formula for this Yeah. Yeah. And I need to do this order of operations for this and and I think about math.
Danny:But then what that does is it boils me down to like how I live my day to day life Mhmm. Is my truth.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:My truths are these are my truths. Mhmm. And that's again why, you know, sometimes, like, I'll be like, Tyler, no. Like, we gotta you have to live like this. Yeah.
Danny:Yeah. And sometimes I'm pretty passionate about, like, things Yeah. That I that I see and that I want for my friends. Mhmm. Because I tell them to myself, you know, I I I tell them those truths to myself.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And lately, we've been really working on on our relationship with God and and really, really, really working on our relationship with God. And some people shared a couple podcasts with me, and I just felt like it was right at the right time, right at the right moment of of where my relationship with God was and and how rooted I actually am in religion and and how I believe, you know, and how I live my day to day life. But people always you know, if you if you if you get super, super, super, nope, this is the way it is. Nope, this is the way it is, then they challenge you. Right?
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Then you get angry and you get frustrated, but I even if I get challenged, I don't honestly mind because I don't I whatever you believe is what you believe in. Right. Whatever I believe is what I believe in. And how I believe is just my own personal my own personal truth.
Tyler:When it's that it's that self awareness into your own am I am I am I acting on a confirmation bias. Right? Mhmm. Right? Am I and and you you've kind of mentioned that that you do this and we didn't I didn't I didn't call it at that point, but like, we all we all do this.
Tyler:Right? We we we develop opinions from where we believe truth to be in our lives.
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. Sure.
Tyler:Right? And so it's it's the true awareness, you know, if somebody's bringing me something, am I responding with a confirmation virus? Or do I have the self awareness to say, I may hold this this other principle true or different than what they are telling me, but I'm I'm able to kind of hold space and allow them to speak their truth even though it conflicts with my truth.
Danny:Right. Right. And I think, like, for you and I, because we do so much so much work with other people Yeah. You know, and since we're still working on ourselves and we Yeah. And we're still, like, work in project process work in process in progress Mhmm.
Danny:We're still living we're we're still, like, where where every day you could find something new that you're like, actually, yeah, my mind changes. I kinda believe like that.
Tyler:Yeah. I
Danny:kinda believe like that. Or it could reground you to some of your things that you did prior to while you were you know, there's some lot of things that come from LDS that you may go Mhmm. Actually, I don't mind that. I actually believe that. Right.
Danny:You know? Yeah. I may not believe it to the point that I'm going to prophesize or I'm going to testimony about it. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:But I may believe it, you know? Mhmm. And when we work with men and we work with people, our job is not to really give our own personal ideologies. We wanna give round about things, but like, you're really listening listening to them and helping them find their path Yeah. Right in their course.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And sometimes you're like, I don't believe any single thing that you're saying. Yeah. But you're gonna get to you're gonna get to your truth. Yep. Whether it's modern or postmodern.
Danny:Yeah. And that's the hard part for me is sometimes is, like, with when I'm talking to people who have some very modern ideologies.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I'm like, wow. Yeah. I gotta wrap my head around what you're saying because
Tyler:Right.
Danny:I don't wanna like, my facial features may come off as super fucking judgy. Yeah. You know?
Tyler:Yeah. It was just so funny because I actually went on a date and like had this conversation about the the the transgender issue.
Danny:Oh,
Tyler:sure. And and I had to check myself and I'm I'm all I'm all for having civil discourse. I'm never going to I I probably, you know, things may get heated but I probably won't ever let you get me too out of balance. Right? That's been my goal.
Tyler:But I I I thought of the the kind of the common analogy. Do you know what Pluto is?
Danny:The planet?
Tyler:Is it a planet?
Danny:No. I don't actually don't know if it is or not.
Tyler:It's it was a planet when I grew up, was growing Like, we we did
Danny:Yeah. Was a planet. Yeah. It was the planet.
Tyler:We found out recently is, like, in, like, 2,000 something or other that it's like it's not. It's like a dwarf star or something. Yeah.
Danny:Right? Or or that's their their idea that
Tyler:it's a star. Their idea. It's using the scientific method. Right? It was a planet until some new information came in
Danny:and changed Did
Tyler:Pluto change?
Danny:No. Pluto did not view of it did.
Tyler:Plea we our understanding of definition of of people So why haven't what you know, why haven't we applied that same logic to to to gender? What is the purpose of gender?
Danny:Well, it describes who you are to to in my own opinion of Sure.
Tyler:Sure. Sure. Sure. And I don't wanna put you on the spot here, but like, when I think of like I like to think in in terms of first principles. And first principles is a way of breaking down big complex problems into the smallest portion of the problem.
Tyler:And so for me, I ask myself, what is the first principle of gender? Well, in in in the current use of gender, the first principle would be the propagation of the species. So in order for the human species to
Danny:Progress.
Tyler:To progress or to continue to survive, it we have to pass on our our genes to the next generation. We do that through through the male and female species. The second principle would be, okay, I'm in a medical scenario and I'm about to provide you some medication that could potentially be impacted by your your gender assigned approach.
Danny:Your chemical makeup.
Tyler:Right. So has gender changed or does the definition does the definition that we're using to describe gender need to change? Because I'm all I'm all for you being a they, them, zers, z, zics, whatever. But I think we need to make sure that we're we're we're having the same conversation because I I truly believe that one party is not having that they're they're arguing over the definition of a word. Gender, I don't believe has changed.
Tyler:Our need to propagate our species has not changed. Sure. Right? And and gender may be fluid, and there may be multiple quote unquote genders depending on how you look at the science. But the reality is at the at the at the very core of what what I believe gender to be is is that that, you know, biological need to I agree.
Tyler:To to to procreate the species. So
Danny:And I and I believe like you I believe that you can describe yourself however you want to describe yourself. Sure. I don't care. Yeah. But at the end of the day, you are either a boy or a girl.
Tyler:Sure.
Danny:One way or the other. Right. And in my opinion, my my my personal the my personal faith Mhmm. Is that God assigned God Mhmm. Put you into a capsule Right.
Danny:And you chose you chose Yeah. You get to chose. Yeah. You know, when you're when you're my my personal opinion is that you choose Mhmm. Your parents, you choose your life, and you choose to be either a boy or a Yeah.
Danny:And and modernization and and people's thoughts and how we give people we give the key to, like, your own. No. Be who you are. Be what you wanna be. Do this.
Danny:It's like, yeah. Yeah. You should. Yeah. Right.
Danny:Do whatever you wanna do. But at the end of the day, God did give you God God you and God came together with this together. Yeah. You know? And again, I, you know, I I have that personal belief.
Danny:Personal it's my personal And if we if we talk about it, if you want to fight your opinion, I will give you 100% space and I will never raise my voice. I won't I won't try to tell you that you're wrong. Mhmm. I won't I won't treat you any different. Right.
Danny:I won't treat you any different Right. As long as you don't treat me any different.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Right? And that's that to me is the cool part of learning, growing, being a vehicle for people who need that clarification and that space of like, man, your your mind could be super chaotic.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:Let's calm it down just a tiny bit, you know. Yeah. And for you for for that whole idea of of, you know, how do we modern and postmodern. Yeah. How do you deal with it?
Danny:Yeah. How do you how? Like, especially, like, if you're aggressive about, you know, DAI, Doge, Tesla. I hate I hate Trump. I hate Biden.
Danny:I hate this. It's like, yeah. Okay. Right. Why?
Tyler:But and and Did it
Danny:really impact your life that
Tyler:much? Yeah. Yeah. Is it
Danny:really impacting your life that much? Or are you just so I'm standing firm in the fact that somebody gave me a platform to be strong and to be Yeah. And I and this is the only time I could be strongest. I hate insert whatever the fuck you wanna insert.
Tyler:Right. 99% of the time, people are just projecting their view of the world on you. And so that's why I I think that like the concept of, like, don't try to sell me this is the new truth when it's your perception of the truth.
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:We can't have we can't say that there is no such thing as universal truth while mandating that other people live by our dash definition
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:Definition of truth. Agree. And I'm not I I don't I think I think this has been a very interesting conversation, right, where like we're dancing kind of on this we're dancing on this fault line, right, where we have we have a fissure between us as a as a human species. It's left, it's right, it's I agree. It's advocate or it's non advocate.
Tyler:It's the patriarchy, it's feminism, it's it's everything seems to come down to just an a or b bullying decision. And I'm like, again, we go back to first problem. What is the first problem? It's either is there truth or is there not truth?
Danny:Right.
Tyler:What is what does truth look like?
Danny:I also believe that you and I, personally, are able to dance around that fault line personally just because we help because we we we are you know, our our our job or our our principles or or our what we are put on this earth to do is to help Yeah. People. Yes. So we can't we also don't want to, like Right. Stand on our firm boundaries and our firm lines and turn off potential people who Right.
Danny:May not agree with what we're talking about. Yeah. But if you really wanted to get down to the nitty gritty of it, like, I have my truth. Yeah. I do have my truth.
Danny:Right. And and even if you got upset with me, even if you told me that I was wrong, even if you screamed in my face, spit in my face, told me I was a piece of shit, it wouldn't change a single thing of how I believed. Not one single thing. I wouldn't change a single thing. I don't I don't my influences come from learning Yeah.
Danny:From talking, from trusting Yeah. And from absorbing factual relationships. Yes. Factual things. Factual things.
Danny:Like, when we talk, when we have deep sauna sessions, when we have deep Mhmm. Deep sessions, when we have, alright, let's let's all get super drunk on tequila and beer, have Misty cook us kick her kick ass
Tyler:food Yeah.
Danny:Sit out by two different fires
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And let's fucking talk. Yeah. And we all walk away from there. Nobody upset. Everybody believing in each other and and and how beautiful was that?
Danny:Yeah. We we literally it was amazing that night.
Tyler:Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was yeah.
Danny:And we're talking about the other night. We had a big party at my house, and tequila was flowing, beer was flowing.
Tyler:The food was delicious.
Danny:Food was delicious, and not one voice was raised. Mm-mm. Not one person got upset. But there was some deep heavy conversations at times Yeah. Where we were like, wow, this is this is this is heavy.
Danny:Yeah. You know, we were and we were we were all able to, like, talk. Yeah. Sometimes talk over each other and
Tyler:But that's I mean, and but I think that's I think that's that's that's where we need to get to, right? Like how do we have how do we figure out how to get back to a place of balance and civil discourse?
Danny:And and who cares if we don't believe and don't agree with each other. Right? But let's love each other.
Tyler:Why do I why do I have to be well, I mean, I I understand, like, I'm starting to come to an understanding that, like, when we look at this projection that that people have, I have to be right. When they are so adamant about being right, they are protecting something in themselves.
Danny:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So like This is my boss.
Tyler:I'm insecure in my identity. Like if you are truly secure in your identity, you don't need fucking confirmation. Agree. You're you're you're confirming, you're validating yourself.
Danny:Right.
Tyler:Not in a narcissistic way, but in a way that says, I'm I'm I'm solid I have a solid understanding and and knowledge of who I am. I have a self esteem and a self worth that I can I can carry through difficult conversations?
Danny:I agree.
Tyler:I don't need to become dysregulated. I don't need to shout. I don't need to, you know, I can I can
Danny:Yeah? Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler:You know what mean? I agree. Yeah. I can have a conversation. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Tyler:Or if I'm if I'm if we're in a disagreement and and we disagree, we we did we just disagree and we see it we see it differently. Or perhaps I'm right. I don't need to rub it in your face. I don't need to win. I don't need to it doesn't need to be me versus you Sure.
Tyler:In a in an argument. What what does that really do?
Danny:Well, and yeah. And and especially now with the with the actual point of the there needs to be a winner, there needs to be Right. There needs to be somebody who's right. Right. There does come a point where you're like, I don't know if I care.
Danny:I don't
Tyler:Right? I I I see it as that the the need to be right is a is a bill of goods that perhaps capitalism has sold us based on the idea that there's not enough of scarcity. Right? There's scarcity in this world. There's not enough.
Tyler:True. You know what I mean? There's if if we were really to kinda get outside of that that the concept of there's not enough because when you create a sense of urgency through scarcity, people are more likely to buy. Right.
Danny:Right.
Tyler:Right. Oh, I've only got this one Jeep left. You know, you go to the car,
Danny:go Yeah.
Tyler:We only got this one model left and it's this color is the color you want. Right? They create this scarcity for you so it drives your compulsive buying behavior.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:And we we do that on a grander scale. I think we're seeing that almost weaponized in in political arena
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:In in I mean, the social media arena, like, we we we weaponize
Danny:Relationships.
Tyler:Relationships.
Danny:Relationships. I mean, how often have you personally thought the grass is greener? The grass is greener. You know? I mean, I I'm there are times when I thought, like, the grass was greener.
Danny:Yeah. You know? But then I had to reground myself and be like, no, fuck that.
Tyler:You know where the grass is greenest? Where you fucking water it. Water it.
Danny:Yeah. Where you fertilize it. Yeah. Where you put care. Into it.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. You have hard conversations. And you get a patch that maybe dies and you've gotta repair that patch. Right?
Tyler:That's
Danny:And I think, like, for you and sorry, mean to cut you off. You're good. But our our our you and I sometimes, like, we sometimes come off as flippant or non caring or, like, we don't give a shit. But it's not that, it's just that I want you to understand that you have your own space. Yes.
Danny:And whatever I believe doesn't have to change who you are as a person. Yes. And whatever you believe doesn't have to change me.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:My job, personal job is not to change you. Yeah. It's to guide you and to encourage you to be a better to be better and to not not find the new the new toy that's so much better. So or the new idea that's so much better or the the new principle that's so much better. Mhmm.
Danny:Because I promise you, you know what's gonna happen? You're gonna fall back to that concrete principle that was there before. Yep. The concrete principle, the concrete foundation that was there before. Mhmm.
Danny:And when when you when you it is an interesting conversation, and you can go in different directions with it because I don't want to turn I don't want to upset anybody. I don't want to I don't want you to think that, like, I'm this chauvinistic pig Mhmm. And and and live this life of, like, no. I'm I'm I no. I fuck up all the time.
Danny:I fuck up. I say stupid shit. Yeah. I do stupid shit. Yeah.
Danny:Right? And sometimes, like, my wife is, like, knock it the fuck off. Yeah. Like, you're you're you should hear how you're talking and I'm thinking, I I don't hear how I'm talking. Right.
Tyler:And it's okay. Can put me in check. Yeah. You can put me in check. Yeah.
Tyler:I I I'm I'm okay with that. At the same time, like, what is the thing? Stand stand for nothing and you'll fall for anything?
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:Right? Like that's the thing. There it does need to become a point where
Danny:I'm an oak tree.
Tyler:As a man, I don't know if this is necessarily as true for women, like the need to to be this. But as a man, I might need to take a stand.
Danny:Yeah. You have to yeah.
Tyler:I might to take a stand. Yeah. And it's it's it's not necessarily that the stand has to be I'm right or wrong. I'm taking a stand because it is atypically more of a I don't even know if I want to say it that way now that I'm saying it out loud. Like, it's there is a level of authority.
Tyler:There's a level of you seem you seem you seem weaker as a man if you don't have an opinion.
Danny:Or if your opinion changes constantly.
Tyler:If you if you're constantly flip flopping. Right?
Danny:No. Believe no. Yeah. You're right. No.
Danny:Yeah. You're right. You're like What?
Tyler:It's I
Danny:can tell you anything.
Tyler:Right? And I think that's probably why I'm I mean, obviously, we have this platform, the podcast. We share a lot. I tend to be probably an overshare in a lot of cases.
Danny:How many times have we gotten a text message or an email that said, this is really what you're doing? You're like,
Tyler:oh, oops. Yeah.
Danny:That is not what I meant.
Tyler:Right? Or to, like, leave the hospital and, like, talk to some of the people I've I've at the hospital, then, like, they know they know more about me than I, like, realize that I told them.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I can't believe I shared all that with you.
Danny:Yeah. You and I are open books. Yeah. We are so open books. And it's good because, like, the conversation can continue on Yeah.
Danny:And on and But it's an it's funny because I don't believe that in any way, shape, or form, we've changed our who we are, our values. Yeah. I think we stand by who we are. I think we stand we stand united sometimes of like, no, we're gonna stand. We're gonna we're we're we have to make this stand in this decision Mhmm.
Danny:Because we are patriarchal. Yeah. We we really are. I'm a patriot I'm a I I know I am. I know that I know for a fact that sometimes my boys tell me, nothing I do is enough.
Danny:Yeah. And I'm like, that's not true. Yeah. That's not true. Yeah.
Danny:It's just that you could do more. Yeah. You know? And and they're like, that's that's it in itself that in itself is what I'm trying to tell you. It's like, no, I get it.
Danny:Yeah. I get that. I get that about I get that. Yeah. There there has to be a head.
Danny:There has to be the there has to be the person that's the head. And my wife is very she has a feminist. She has some feminist values. She does. I don't And I encourage some of those things.
Danny:Sure. I encourage some of them. And then there's other times when I have to remind her, like, what you're doing is taking a stance that I have to defend. And if I don't believe in what you're saying, then I'm not gonna defend you, but I will defend you personally.
Tyler:Yeah. Right. Right. And I'm not I'm I sure as hell don't wanna be called up for a war that you've started on a topic I don't necessarily
Danny:You know my wife. Yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I I mean, I think you're absolutely right. I don't think there's anything wrong inherently with being a feminist.
Tyler:I don't think that there's anything inherently wrong with being patriarchal or masculine. Right? Like, where we become out of balance is when we the very fact that we are out of balance. Sure. The very fact that we cannot sit and in you know, the idea the idea would be a yin and a yang.
Tyler:Right? There's a there's a reason why the male and the female fit together like fucking Lego pieces. Right? And and and when you look at our physical bodies, you have to understand that our mental models are are similar. They lock together similarly and we have to find we have to find that transcendent plane where we where we where we meet.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:We cannot personalize our feminism. We cannot personalize our masculine, you know, our patriarchy into into something toxic for our partner.
Danny:I agree. Right? That's a that's a cool way to put it. Yeah. That's a really cool that's a cool way to to wrap around because then, you know, it it it definitely leaves open more context and more ways of looking at things.
Tyler:Right.
Danny:And I'm sure that we'll get a lot of feedback sometimes about what we talked about tonight. Yeah. And we, I think we both have agreed that we're that we're going to use our platform to to entice some conversation and entice, know, people's questioning Yeah. Who we are as people because we've been doing this for a long time. Yeah.
Danny:You know, and and we're not gonna shy away from subjects, context Mhmm. Or who we are as people. Yeah. You know? At the end of the day, like, 100%, I have your back.
Danny:Yeah. You have my back. Yeah. But we also know that we'll protect those around us however we see fit.
Tyler:Right. And I think that there's some ideas that are worth protecting.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:And sometimes sometimes you need to put your you need to, you know, stretch your neck out a little bit for those ideas. I I I will add that we we built this platform really with the concept that men don't get the the they don't seek the mental help that they need from time to time. Right? We're building a common unity of men that build stronger men, not just for our generation, but the next generation to come. I believe in so doing that it will benefit feminist, non feminist, whatever that that, you know, by by creating men who are more confident in who they are, they don't need they don't need the the excuse me, the self protectionism of breaking that shit down if that's what people want to believe.
Tyler:Sure. We'll we'll go about we'll go up about living our purpose. But we built this platform additionally to to if we could stop one person from harming themselves.
Danny:Agreed.
Tyler:And and we primarily focused on men, but I would add that the same rings true if I knew somebody was struggling, and this happens all the time coming out of coming out coming out as as as gay or or whatever in the Mormon church. There are there are people that that struggle so much that they end up killing themselves over it because they cannot fit in. Yeah. They can't fit into the model. It's the model that they're trying to fit in is so rigid and closed that they just don't fit in and so they harm themselves.
Tyler:And for me, that's not okay either. Mhmm. That's not okay either. It it would be helping them shepherd themselves to a place of safety and realizing perhaps you don't need validation from those people. Perhaps we need to validate ourselves.
Tyler:And and we need to be happy. And so I'll add them to that list of, hey, if you are seriously considering hurting yourself, reach out. Like Yeah. You're struggling. You're struggling.
Tyler:I'll listen. I may not agree, but I'll listen and I will be a safe space for you.
Danny:And you won't even know that I don't agree.
Tyler:Yeah. You won't
Danny:I'll I'll give you so much safe space.
Tyler:Does not my opinion does not matter.
Danny:Yeah. We we talk about this a bunch of times that like you said, that we, one person, one single man, one single man Mhmm. If we save that person, that person saves two, three, four. Now we're compounding the fact that, like, at the end of the day, men's mental health and having the ability to be strong in your moral compass Mhmm. Matters more than agreeing or shying away from conflict.
Danny:Yep. Yeah. Right? And I do wanna say that we did lose an we did lose another young man who's overseas right now. I got a phone call today that that another young man took his life, and and and we don't want that.
Danny:No. And so, you know, we're putting together a couple care packages for the troops that are over there right now and that are dealing with this thing. And so, you know, keep your mind, keep your eyes open, keep your mind open. Remember that there are there are people over there that are serving that that are struggling. Right?
Danny:Mhmm. And we need to ensure that they're that men are healthy. Mhmm. You know, men and women are healthy.
Tyler:Mhmm.
Danny:And we don't need to force feed them bullshit. Mhmm. Let's just remember, it's okay to have difference of opinions. Mhmm. It's okay to stand on your values, and it's okay to have healthy conflict.
Danny:Mhmm. Right? And so that young man who chose to to take that route, we feel for him. Yeah. And we feel for him.
Danny:We feel Yeah. We feel I I feel strongly for him because I'm lucky my boys, you know, they they they feel strong about themselves, you know, and so we wanna continue that and we wanna continue to grow that. Yeah. And that's what we're doing this for. We're doing this to continue to grow and to continue to remind men and women that there's something out there that will help you.
Danny:There's somebody out there that will listen to you. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And so the troops that are over there and if you wanna donate, if you wanna give some give anything, they'll take anything.
Danny:We're gonna put together the pair of cat care packages, I'll put together on the Instagram what they need Yeah. And and just donate. I'm gonna put together a couple things.
Tyler:Yeah. I've done a pretty shitty job keeping the Instagram up and running. Personally, I just haven't wanted to spend time on social media these days.
Danny:It's not our it's not our it's not I don't believe it's our platform.
Tyler:It's it's really not. It's not I don't think it's a a plot I don't know. I I I have so many mixed opinions. Like, I think I think it's great and I think it's terrible all at the same I know. Like but that's that's a whole another episode.
Tyler:Oh, always. Man, I really appreciate this conversation.
Danny:You're good.
Tyler:I'm I'm grateful as as hell to have you in my life. It
Danny:was fun.
Tyler:Yeah. Just to chat and
Danny:Today was good. We needed today. We haven't we hadn't hung out with each other like that. Yeah. We have plans for the weekend.
Danny:We're gonna hang out this weekend. We're gonna get together and we have summer camp coming up. We have fights. We have sponsorships available. We have we have we we we are constantly trying to build Mhmm.
Danny:Our our what what we're trying to sell and what we're trying to do for people
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Which is just overall health, overall well-being Mhmm. Overall trust in in what you're doing, and don't don't take it the wrong way. Don't take what we said the wrong way today. You know? We're passionate.
Danny:We get going, and we talk. This is a lot of times what happens is is you would Yeah. Start talking. And luckily for us, most of the time, our moral values encompasses align with each other. Yeah.
Danny:And so we don't ever have to, like, have disagreements. And I'm always, like, grateful about that, you know, because because we we agree along the same Yeah. Party lines. Yeah. You
Tyler:know? It's it's it it really is. And it's it's I mean, but at the same time, you've also you've also challenged me. You've challenged some of my own beliefs. You've, you know, caused me to spread my wings and stretch a little bit.
Tyler:And I and I'm I really am grateful for that. I'm even though I may seem resistant at first, I take a little bit I take a little bit to to to warm up to it. I really
Danny:Talking on the each shoulder. Tyler, gotta do it. Tyler, go go go. Yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. So grateful for you. So what do you got coming up in the next couple weeks?
Danny:We are working pretty hard with we have I I put together a men's group Yeah. That that you're a part of that we are that's growing. I've gotten lots of phone calls and text messages from those guys that are appreciative of it. We are planting at the Oconee household.
Tyler:I
Danny:am constantly planting flowers, moving things around that Misty wants. She likes to move flowers around that and I try to save them. I try to keep them healthy. Yeah. And that's really honestly, like, we there's so much going into summer camp right now that I'm pretty
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Pretty headstrong in that. And then
Tyler:Do you have the dates for camp again?
Danny:Yeah. July. '7 black belt fights, three brown belt fights, and they're gonna be fun. It's gonna be a good time. I think it's gonna be a really good camp, summer camp.
Danny:Lots of people coming in. I'm working a lot. Misty's working a lot because we're we're going to Mexico soon, and we're just trying to we're we're the biggest thing that we're trying to do is, like I told you, I'm trying to decide if I'm gonna stick around after December at my job or if I'm gonna just call it quits in December and move on to something else. And that's kind of what we're taking in right now.
Tyler:An exciting an exciting new adventure.
Danny:And you? Let's see. You have kids are out of school?
Tyler:Kids are out of school. Tomorrow's tomorrow's the last day.
Danny:Let's go.
Tyler:I'm excited for them. They've they've worked hard. They both all of them have got good grades. I will be headed to Denver, July Twelfth through the fifteenth. I'm going to volunteer at the Tap Out Cancer Jujitsu tournament there.
Danny:Let's go.
Tyler:My hope is that we will get a Tap Out Cancer tournament here in Salt Lake.
Danny:Let's
Tyler:go. But that's that's one of my own proclivities. A lot of people don't know this, but like Salt Lake, LDS General actually leads the country in blood based cancer research and or like they are the the hospital that I was in is literally one of the highest ranked hospitals for blood borne cancers. And I've been really blessed not just having insurance. You know, a lot of people, you know, having this kind of sickness still end up having major major bills.
Tyler:I was the benefactor of a a grant that helped pay for a lot of my has helped me pay for a lot of my medication.
Danny:I
Tyler:surprised myself and made some really good adult decisions at my last open open enrollment. So I'm not feeling the the financial pressure, but the one thing about being the the healthiest person in my unit for that month that I was there is that I witnessed a lot of people that were suffering and, you know, know that things like these grants, things like this this money helps them Good. Just ease some of that that stress. Because if you're stressed and you're trying to recover from cancer
Danny:Doesn't happen.
Tyler:It's just it's just not healthy. And let's be honest, Utah has a great history of jujitsu here Sure. In this this valley. I think we'd we'd benefit really well from having a cool a cool tournament that I'm stoked. That people could raise awareness with.
Tyler:So I will start raising money for Park City Jiu Jitsu. So whatever money I end up raising for Park City Jiu Jitsu will be the Park City Jiu Jitsu donation that goes to Top Out Cancer. And then so I'll be working I'll also be working a scoring booth for for the tournament in Denver. For using. Since I kinda have those skills.
Danny:That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Again, that yeah. I'm super grateful for this conversation and and we we welcome and appreciate any feedback, any concerns, anything that you think that Tyler and I are full of shit on or that you agree on Yeah.
Danny:We we love we love that. And if you see Tyler and I around, by all means, like, hit us up, talk to us. We're gonna have the bus out Oh, okay. Over the weekend. So excited.
Danny:We're gonna drive around. We're gonna be in Park City. We will be on July 5. We will be at the SUP festival at Deer no. No.
Danny:Sorry. At Jordan L. We'll be on the beach. We'll have the bus out. We will be hanging out there.
Danny:We may be even live broadcasting Yeah. If we can, if if if you have the day off. July 5, I'm racing. I'm gonna do the race. So if anybody else wants to come out and challenge me, we're gonna I'm I'm doing the race with for that.
Danny:And, yeah, we'll be around. The bus will be out. We'll be I think that we're gonna do a couple farmers market. We're gonna do a couple flowers with some people that are gonna put their flowers out of the bus, and we'll go hang out there and set up the bus and do that.
Tyler:That'll be awesome.
Danny:I think we got we got that going on. The summer's gonna be fun.
Tyler:It's here. It's eighty eighty degrees already.
Danny:I can't wait.
Tyler:Can't wait.
Danny:K.
Tyler:Well, I appreciate it everybody. Thank you. We'll see you on the next episode.
Danny:See you guys.
