Boundaries: How to Say "No" Without Being an Asshole
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Danny:good. Welcome back. We are here.
Tyler:How are feeling?
Danny:We are. You know, we're we're doing we're trying I mean, we're trying to stick with it. Yeah. I think that's been my my life and I apologize. I'm gonna just like ram steam ramrod.
Danny:Go. Like, my life has been a real life game of whack a mole. Yeah. Whereas like, if I take my attention off of any one thing to focus on another problem, like three more problems will pop up and I'll like, I'll lock them down and like two over here will pop up and I'm like, so Yeah. Anytime I get out of my routine, which I'm really struggling with, and I'm trying to give myself a little bit of grace, right, obviously with everything that's going on.
Tyler:Well, in routines, I mean, how really routine can your life be? You've got one routine. Yeah. Stay healthy, be healthy, stay alive. Yeah.
Tyler:That's it. Yeah. That's Yeah. Literally your life right now is everything that you're doing is to make sure that you are cancer free Yeah. And that you do what the doctors tell you to do, which means a lot of things go.
Tyler:Yep. Some of the things that I've noticed is, like, you'll we'll be talking and then, like, you'll drift. Mhmm. Right? You'll wander, and then then we come back.
Tyler:And then all of a sudden, we'll be talking, it'll be like like, gone. And I'm like, dang. Yeah. And that's, like, crazy because they get it has to be just an insane thing that that's transpiring in your body right now.
Danny:I think a lot of it is that I haven't been able to release a lot of my, like
Tyler:Pent up.
Danny:Pent up energy. Right? For as as sick as I quote unquote am, I there are days where I don't feel sick.
Tyler:Sure.
Danny:And those days when I don't feel sick, I'm kind of like, do you remember Mike Myers when he played the hyper hippo on Saturday night live? He was this, like, kid whose mom would wear like, him in a full body harness and then, like, chain him to the jungle gym. And he was like, I'm a hyper hippo.
Tyler:And he'd just go
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:100 miles an hour.
Danny:Yeah. I mean, that's it. Like, I realized, like, I'm pulling at this Tethers. I'm pulling at this tether just wildly like a like a rabid animal and I'm not yeah. It's been all kinds of it's been all kinds of messed up.
Danny:It really has. Like, I feel like in the past month, I have backslid so much. I don't know that some of this is just like my own personal progress, like my own personal just kind of being in the thick of it. But I'm like, I feel like I've gotten backwards. I feel like all the work I've done in the last two years, I've just backslid.
Danny:And now I'm, you know, in the worst shape I've ever been in my life. Any weight I had I had lost due to jujitsu, I've gained back. The the you know, being stagnant has allowed the demons to become that much louder. Right? Like
Tyler:And and you said this round, because you are in halfway through of round two
Danny:Yep.
Tyler:Of maintenance Yep. Arsenic and your your cocktails. And Yeah. And and it's not like you don't take pills. Mhmm.
Tyler:Like, you take pills regardless of you're in a treatment or not.
Danny:Yep.
Tyler:You're taking pills every day Mhmm. That are supposed to help you fight to prevent things. And you're you're in this this this round two of this treatment. Yeah. And there's no this round you said is making you tired.
Danny:For whatever reason, yeah, this round has not made me as nauseous. It's made me just exhausted.
Tyler:Exhausted.
Danny:And I think part of that was I came off of the first round and I try I went pretty hard. I traveled to Denver in a world a a whirlwind trip, right? Like, I was out hiking, we went out running, like, we lived, right? Like, and I don't regret I don't regret a single minute. There was definitely several weeks of just stagnancy of me just laying on the couch Yeah.
Danny:Not in treatment. And that was I didn't feel good about that.
Tyler:That's what you do.
Danny:But my brain my my man, my like, yeah, I kinda wanna like
Tyler:Your brain is just your brain is inside. You're you're going Mhmm. And and just for just for understanding, arsenic itself Mhmm. Has a tendency Mhmm. To cause mental Mhmm.
Tyler:Mental health issues. Yeah. You know, you've talked about that. That, like, arsenic itself. Mhmm.
Tyler:Just arsenic itself. Mhmm. Because it's I mean, it's a for all intents and purposes, it's a poison. Yep. You know, using given an in in lethal doses, anything can be a poison.
Tyler:Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Is an this is a a safe way of dealing with your type of cancer, but there are going to be ramifications and symptoms and all these other things that come along with that. Yeah.
Tyler:But you gotta stay alive. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so, you know, when you when you put those things in your body and your body's not used to them, course, of there's gonna be ups and downs and things.
Tyler:But given the the the last two years of your life Yeah. The last thing you need, like you tell me, is the last thing you need is more mental strain on your already strained mental health.
Danny:No. And and one of the things that I've gone back to was something that I I I worked really hard to stop using. Marijuana for me, don't get me wrong, loved it. We had a great relationship.
Tyler:I love
Danny:that it's natural. It is not a fix for me, like it's not a fix. Like, it's not I wouldn't it's a medicine in the sense that the moment I take a puff, the moment I eat an edible, nausea gone, appetite back, a miracle.
Tyler:Let's go. A miracle. Let's go.
Danny:Yeah. Outside of that, the problem is is I had I want I I'm not gonna say that I had issues, but I saw a problem developing that I was like, I don't want a part of this problem. I don't want to be a daily user. I don't want to be a pothead. Right?
Danny:And so I'm I feel like I'm backsliding into some of that dangerous territory.
Tyler:Feel great. Yeah. Feel amazing. But man, makes me tired. Yeah.
Tyler:And now I have zero motivation.
Danny:Zero motivation. Zero yeah.
Tyler:Give a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would be hard for me because yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. I mean, you wanna feel good. You wanna feel great. And marijuana does make you feel good, but there are there are those side effects that you're like, I don't like this. So what's the what do you how's where's the healthy balance?
Tyler:Yeah. I think Your health is more important right now. Who cares what happens? You'll in in six months, seven months when you are free of this thing Yeah. In your chest and free of having to set your routine around the four weeks that you go down and drive and get your treatments, is it like, okay.
Tyler:Fuck it. I'm gonna do what's best for Tyler right now? Yeah. Who cares what the side effects are right now?
Danny:Yeah. Part of me feels personally like I need to be a bit more disciplined, or maybe this is where I can I can
Tyler:I don't wanna doesn't make you disciplined, dude?
Danny:But but I you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. But I don't need to be using it. It was like, oh, now I have an excuse to use it.
Tyler:Sure.
Danny:Am I using it as a medicine or am I using it just because it's there? That's what I mean by discipline. Right? Okay. I get it.
Danny:Maybe I'm nauseous and I need to use it.
Tyler:Sure.
Danny:Maybe I'm, you know, not sleeping well and I need to use it. I can I can but do I need to be using it during work hours when I'm supposed to be? Like Yeah. You know, do I need to wake and bake? I'll be honest, like, waking up is one of the times where I wake up kind of the most kind of just groggy and like not yeah.
Danny:Not feeling well. And that kind of helps, you know, get the day going.
Tyler:Sure.
Danny:But you're right. It's it's not. It's like one of those things where I just wanna be
Tyler:Let's get fucking stung.
Danny:Yeah. Let's sit on the beach. I was perfectly happy in the shade on the beach Yeah. Yesterday. Yeah.
Danny:So
Tyler:And with that being said, I mean, health your health has to be your four your foremost thing that you put first right now. Right? Yeah. And that could be potentially just chilling. Yeah.
Tyler:It could be. It could be just who cares who cares if you feel like you are lazy? Mhmm. That might be what your body kinda needs right now.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:Right? Yeah. I don't know. I mean Yeah. I I you know, it's not like you've had cancer to before to to Yeah.
Tyler:Oh, the last time this happened, this is what I should do. Yeah. No. We want this to be the last of the first.
Danny:Yeah. And the best I can do is improve in between rounds. Sure. Right? And and so to say, oh, I've got like, luckily going into the second round, I didn't have the issues that I had with the first round, which was basically four days worth of the most crippling nausea head spinning.
Danny:Imagine being do you ever get carsick? No. Or like seasick? No. Any of that stuff?
Danny:I mean, that's the only thing I can equate it to. I don't generally
Tyler:Just constantly a little nauseous.
Danny:It was like four days worth of just being carsick.
Tyler:Dang. I know Misty gets nauseous and it it's definitely debilitating. Yeah. Like, she takes medicine. If not, it's like, I can look on her face and she's like, I'm like, are you good?
Tyler:She's like, nope. Yeah. I'm not. And she'll have to roll down the window. She's like, oh, I'm getting kinda hot.
Tyler:I'm not really. Oh, now I'm getting a little cold. I just need to pull over for a second. I need to get my highs. I had my oldest sister, she is Oh, yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. 100%. She is carsick walking. Damn. That's crazy.
Danny:Yeah. That's crazy.
Tyler:Well and so, like, I'm sure, you know, people in our audience are are in those same boats of, like, what's the you know, what do you do you which one do you put first? Which do you put first? Because you're right. The last time when we became off treatment, we were like, fuck it. Let's go.
Tyler:We're gonna go. Like, we're gonna go a 100 miles an hour. We're gonna live. Right? Yeah.
Tyler:And then it was like, oof.
Danny:Don't get me wrong. I still want to do that. Like, don't get me wrong. Like, I would I wouldn't change. There was a week the the stuff that I would change was the amount that I sat around.
Danny:Maybe I wouldn't push so hard, maybe it would have been more of a hike and less of a the a run.
Tyler:Alright.
Danny:But I wouldn't I wouldn't change I wouldn't change anything. Yeah. I wouldn't change anything. Right? I Perhaps I need to hit yoga.
Danny:Perhaps I need to hit Pilates. Perhaps I need to hit I don't I don't I don't know what I need to do right now. Yes. I need to take care of my body. What I think I need to do is rather than say, okay, this is part of my I'm like, I have a lot of pills.
Danny:I think I'm probably taking over seven different prescriptions like you said.
Tyler:Oh my god.
Danny:You know, I put them in. Some are some are take every day, some are take as needed. Right? So I take the ones that I need every day, but if I need it, and that's where that's where that's where weed needs to be moved. And this needs to be moved as the as needed.
Danny:I need to use it as I need to use my cancer less as a crutch to say, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Tyler:get high. I'm gonna get high. Were you high at the beach yesterday?
Danny:Oh, yeah.
Tyler:You were? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. Oh, I was wondering. Yeah. Remember when I came out to you to give the grapes and you were like I was like, this guy's asleep. And you're like,
Danny:oh, was totally he was asleep.
Tyler:And then I was like, eat some of these goddamn grapes.
Danny:I totally was asleep. I was totally like
Tyler:And you grabbed one and I was like, Tyler, take a handful. And you're like
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:Okay. Didn't realize
Danny:I've been I had I had a driver. I had, like I was just like, I'm just gonna relax with some good music. Music? Yeah.
Tyler:Gosh. What a day. Yeah. It was a not not to move on. I I'm interested in in what the you know, like, when you look back on this and you have now, you have time stamps and you have you have this this this platform that we use Mhmm.
Tyler:That that is this time stamps of our lives. Right? But we're on, like, going on two and a half years of doing this podcast. Right? And I I don't see a change.
Tyler:I don't see us stopping anytime soon unless something drastic happens. Right? But we don't release on a regular basis like we were because last week, you were like, look, man, I'm sleeping. And our schedules weren't matching up with where you were like, dude, I that I'm barely staying awake. Yeah.
Tyler:I'm not feeling this thing and
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:And my schedule was, you know, crazy and my my schedule's crazy as shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right?
Tyler:And but there's this time stamp of of your life. Mhmm. And you you know, like, when you look at a history line Mhmm. And, like, there's a little tick mark and a little tick mark and a little tick mark of things that have changed your life, and your tick mark is gonna have this this cancer diagnosis, and then it's going to have, like, another tick marks after that. Yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. And how you're going to use this for good and to also help your clients and people Yeah. When they're really struggling. When they're really, really struggling, when they're deep down struggling because you are you're saying you're saying this out loud, I am really struggling. Mhmm.
Tyler:And and it's a constant thing that you're like, look, Danny, I am I'm struggling. Mhmm. Right? But you put your shoes on. Mhmm.
Tyler:Put your pants on. You do your you do what a man is supposed to do, and that is keep going. Yeah. You know? It would be easy to be like, I'm done today.
Tyler:Yeah. You know? Yeah. And there are men out there that are like, look, I got I got no fight left. Yeah.
Tyler:You know? And and you're gonna have this ability and this, like, you know, this history of, no. No. You have more to give. Mhmm.
Tyler:You have more to give, and it's gonna be, what can I do? Where can I where can I put my energy today? Right? And I think that's, like, the biggest thing that you can take from these things is, like, some days your energy is just, I'm not gonna smoke weed today.
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was that?
Danny:Right?
Tyler:Yeah. And then sometimes it's gonna be like, hey, I got some energy today to, like, put some effort into what I'm working on and my my passions. Yeah. And it may be an hour or two. Yeah.
Tyler:Right? Yeah. And I I don't know. Like, that's the it's gonna be your your network and your friends and your people are going to benefit from this shitty thing that happened because you're gonna you're gonna have a real life experience.
Danny:Yeah. I think I think it's being honest and just being able to say I'm having this experience. Right? Like, I'm spending way too much time on social media. I'm not creating I'm not creating right now.
Danny:I'm not I'm consuming. I'm, you know what I mean? And I don't want that to become too big of a crutch. I've I've you can see how I've used used it a little bit to justify some bad behavior. Right?
Danny:I don't wanna, you know, over cycle analyze anything, but like, it is kind of like a touch and go. Not every day is the
Tyler:same. Sure.
Danny:There is no the only routine that there is is, yes, I know that I have a certain number of appointments and I have a certain number of pills I've got to take. I know that my treatment will likely conclude, fingers crossed, sometime October.
Tyler:That'll be it.
Danny:That we should be done. We should be done by the October.
Tyler:Isn't it crazy how time the way time moves? Yeah. Sometimes it's really slow. Like yesterday, I felt like the day was so slow. Yeah.
Tyler:I felt like the day was I really felt like the day was slow. Yeah. And then there's other times when you're like, my life is moving so fucking fast.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:How do I slow it down? Yeah. And and like you were saying, like, it's just October is gonna be here before we know it.
Danny:Right.
Tyler:And what will we take away from from this experience?
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:What will we take away? Will we go back to our mundane daily routines, or will you be like, nope? No. I'm I'm chain making like you've said, I'm gonna make some drastic changes. Right now, you cannot make drastic changes.
Tyler:Yeah. Because your routine keeps you where you're at. But you said, I'm making some drastic changes. Yes. Those will be
Danny:I've seen some. Right? Like, there has been situations where I like I probably have come out of my shell where I I normally wouldn't. Stories maybe for the offline version of the podcast. Interactions with people where I'm like, yeah, I don't care what the the basic programming says.
Danny:I've now I'm now overriding it because I've had this like and yet another another touch of mortality. Yeah. Like a conversation with mortality. Right? You know what I mean?
Danny:Like another another brush with death.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:So yeah. I I I would expect to see I I'm expecting to see some I'm expecting of myself some changes.
Tyler:Sure.
Danny:Specifically, as I lay here and I'm like, you start to complain after a certain amount of time. It's not healthy, but it happens. How long can you lay in bed? Like, seriously, like, how long how long how long could you lay down before you're like, I'm ready to tear my hair out?
Tyler:This morning, I thought I could lay there all the all morning long. I really was like, I'm gonna lay here. I'm gonna lay here for the long time.
Danny:Realistically, could you do a day?
Tyler:No. I don't know. Maybe a hungover.
Danny:Yeah. Maybe a day?
Tyler:Maybe a day. Maybe. Maybe. I think you and I are the same. Well, my brain turns on and my feet turn on.
Tyler:Yeah. And then I go. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
Tyler:I don't I don't particularly have a lot of downtime even though some you know, I always think if I wanted downtime, would I really want downtime?
Danny:Right.
Tyler:Or would I just find something else to put in that downtime? I think a day. I think I could lay in bed for a day.
Danny:A
Tyler:day. I think I could.
Danny:A day. And that would be it. Right? Like Yeah. Totally kinda convalesce and like yeah.
Tyler:Veg on the yeah. Veg on the couch. Yeah. But I but I'll tell you this, like you said, I bet I bet if I was in bed, I would be on my phone looking at stupid shit that I shouldn't be looking at and like Yeah. I'd be my brain would be trying to get me to do something Yeah.
Tyler:For me to go out and Yeah. Be productive, and I'd be like fighting that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler:Have you laid in bed for a day? I mean,
Danny:yeah. A couple of times. Like, they feel there's been a few times where I've like, I don't feel like I've left the house for a week.
Tyler:Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Gosh.
Tyler:What a crazy
Danny:I don't I don't I don't particularly love it about myself. I think some of it is self isolation. Right?
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I'm not I'm not saying that I I'm completely doing it because I'm because I'm sick. I'm I'm doing it because of whatever mental struggle I'm I'm going through. Because on top of all of this, there's still the normal life going on. Right? I'm still having odd conversations three years later with my former partner, I still have three children that need to be raised, my daughter wants to buy a new car.
Danny:Like, there's all of these other stressors in in competing for my attention. Mhmm. Anyways.
Tyler:And the the attention just might not be there. No.
Danny:Yeah. No.
Tyler:Do you go, alright. Do do you have have you now since Nick's passing, you set up different boundaries. Mhmm. Since your divorce, you set up different boundaries. Mhmm.
Tyler:And now with this thing that just happened where it's like, this is now affected. This is Tyler's mortality. Do you are you improving those boundaries, setting sterner boundaries, stronger boundaries? Yeah. It's one thing Misty and I are really working on right now is our boundaries of, like, okay, what can I take and what what will I not take?
Tyler:What will I not accept? You know? Yeah. You know, I've I've said this before. My my mom and I have this, like, great relationship, but then sometimes like, I have to set some pretty stern boundaries with her that I'm not really good at with her.
Tyler:You know? Mhmm. And I have to set those boundaries with her. You know? My dad, I can set these I can set, like, crazy boundaries with my dad because I don't have, like, a strong relationship with him.
Tyler:Yeah. And I feel like with each relationship, like, you kind of your boundary can be a little bit more elastic and some of them have to be stern. Right? Mhmm. Do you notice that yours are a little bit more sterner?
Danny:I definitely have some areas where I'm not I'm not having it. I won't, yeah, I won't respond. I am being kinda maybe called up into my understanding of where my own avoidance is as well at times. Yeah. And I think sometimes avoidance is really obviously, to me, avoidance is what am I really avoiding?
Danny:I'm avoiding conflict.
Tyler:Sure.
Danny:I'm avoiding conflict because I'm uncomfortable with conflict or I don't like to fight or the way I thought would learn to fight isn't fair. For me, boundaries are kind of a living document, if you will. Right? Like the term of I'm constantly updating them, I'm constantly changing them. But for me, boundaries are really about building bridges of connection and not walling people off.
Danny:I have some boundaries that wall people off, but that's not necessarily they've they've you've you've probably had to do something pretty bad to get to that point. I have certain conversations, like, are certain certain topics that are not I won't talk with I like, I won't talk with you if it's a boundary. We we just won't talk about a certain topic. My mom, specifically. There are certain things we won't we won't touch.
Tyler:Sure. Well, it's probably best for the relationship. That's the same thing with my mom is, like, it's best for the relationship because, like you said, I'm not my my conflicts tend to be I'm great or else, like, I'm okay losing the relationship and Right. Mhmm. I may I may pop off and say something I shouldn't say.
Danny:Right.
Tyler:Like you said, like, that's probably why I don't know if you're like, man, this is what I struggled with is, like, I was never really taught how to the bound I never really was taught boundaries. Mm-mm. I mean, in my family, like, we all knew each other's bullshit. We all I mean, everybody talked about each other's drama that they were going through, good, bad, and different. Mhmm.
Tyler:And so, like, that's kinda how I shared my life. Like, you knew everything about me, and it's probably not a good thing.
Danny:Yeah. I'm I'm I'm similar. I'm a pretty open book. Right? Yeah.
Danny:I'll share. I'm I'm kind of with you. I think sharing your burden is part of what it's like to get raised in a community, common unity. Right? And when you're family, that is kind of blurred.
Danny:Right? A lot of times with family, our boundary lines are a little bit more invisible because we give them we put them on a pedestal. That's my brother, that's my sister, that's my so and so.
Tyler:It's okay if you say these things or it's okay if you know these things. Yeah. And it's okay if you talk about these things or like I talk about Misty's problems and Yeah. My kids' problems and they know all of their problems, it's okay if you know that. You're not gonna use it against me.
Tyler:Yeah. Then all of a sudden somebody uses it against you, like,
Danny:what the hell?
Tyler:What the hell?
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:You know? Because you're right. It's a community like, you're using it as sharing burden, like Yeah. As a common unity.
Danny:Right.
Tyler:Right?
Danny:And I think in inside your house, have to determine, like, what's okay, what's not okay. Right? Like, what is a family what is an internal family problem versus what is a problem that our our larger community at large should should should help with,
Tyler:if that Yeah. Makes
Danny:I don't think anybody's taught boundaries. And I I think like the good like a good example of that is, specifically in like religion, and you're gonna hear me come back to a religion a lot, but like, you know, the concept of like God always being he's omnipotent. Right? And so when we then elevate people to be the mouthpiece of God, we allow them some of the the same omnipotency that we would God. Right?
Danny:Meanwhile, though, we put God on this pedestal as this perfect being, yet he's got this flawed person that's he's this acting as his mouthpiece. And so it's hard to tell when Yeah. This person's the being just being a person and this person's actually talking for God. You know, it's like like and so we don't set up very good boundaries of, like, when do we allow people to tell us what to do, how to handle our bodies, how to how to live our lives, how to I think it to me, it starts with what are your non negotiable? What are the things that are going to get you cast off the island indefinitely?
Danny:What are your non negotiables?
Tyler:Yeah. I think that's a good place to start.
Danny:What are sorry.
Tyler:Go ahead. No. You go ahead.
Danny:I was just gonna say, what are the things that are so if they if done to you are so offensive
Tyler:that Yeah. That's it.
Danny:That's it.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:I once slept with this woman who covered wagoned me. I should have gotten up and gotten out of bed and left. Right then and there.
Tyler:What?
Danny:Yeah. I didn't know I didn't know what it was. She's like, hey, have you ever been on a covered wagon? And I was like, no. What's that?
Danny:Freaking rips one and then pulls the covers over our head. What does it wow. Wow.
Tyler:Classy. Damn. That's funny. Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler:That would be a that would be a that would be a don't ever do that. Yeah. That'd be a no. We're good. Yeah.
Tyler:That's some funny shit. Damn. Yeah. That's never happened to me. That's funny.
Danny:Do you so here's another funny example. Do you do you defecate? Do you poop? Do you fart in front of your partner?
Tyler:No. No. No. I don't. I don't.
Tyler:We talk about this all the time. Yeah. Basically, I talk about this all the time. Yeah. That I in in most cases, you know, I'm a pretty, like like, I don't I don't fart in front of a lot of people, like, I don't, you know, I'm like it's not that I don't it's not that I and probably people would think that I'm pretty judgmental about some of those things, but, I don't.
Tyler:I don't if I use the restroom, I make sure I spray and I like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I don't want it's a weird thing that my yeah. I mean, I think that was from when I was a kid.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're
Danny:I've got a I've got a couple of friends. Their first house happened to have toilets that faced each other. And they would always joke that they would poop while facing each other and
Tyler:it made their relationship stronger. That's funny.
Danny:And I'm like, I don't know. I don't I would never I would never do that. I'd like to live under this delusion that women don't poop.
Tyler:I know. That's the longest time, my kids I've I've said this before my boys thought that girls didn't fart because they I told them that, no, they didn't. Yeah. I had this friend who, you know, their him and his significant other were did not have a good relationship, and the only time that I've ever been around that person, I walked into the bathroom after them and they had used the restroom and I was like, oh, that's all I'm gonna remember about you is
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:That I smelled your shit. Yeah. And I was like, I'm gonna that I will judge you about that for the rest of your life. Yeah. And to this day, that's the only thing I think about.
Tyler:That's the only thing I think about is yeah. It's it's like, yep. Every time I see that person, all I think about is the IQ You did not use a spray. Yeah. You know?
Tyler:Yeah. Those simple just simple boundaries like that. Just and and, like like, how I fight with Misty is is definitely a boundary. You know? Mhmm.
Tyler:I I tell her, like, you you know, we can't say we can we don't call each other names. We don't call each
Danny:other names.
Tyler:You know? I don't call you a name. That's I don't call you. I don't say to you, you are this or you are being this Yeah. With a swear word.
Tyler:I don't Yeah. Not talk that like that to her because I think, like, it's not a way to fight with your Right. Spouse. I also don't fight in front of my boys. Not that they've not seen me and Misty argue.
Tyler:Mhmm. They've definitely seen me and Misty argue. They've seen when Misty and I are are kind of picking at each other and nipping at each other. And for me, I have two dipshit kids that'll be like, hey, don't talk to my mom like that. Yeah.
Tyler:You know, they'll say shit like that. Like, hey, hey, don't talk to my mom like that. Yeah. You know? And and I'll be like, I'll talk to your mom however I want.
Tyler:They're like, no, you won't. Yeah. But For I like like, fight fight fight. No. We don't fight in front of our boys.
Tyler:Yeah. That's good. And not that I don't want them to know how to fight. I I want them to know how to fight.
Danny:Right.
Tyler:But I also don't want them to have to deal with the fact that their mom and I are, like, you know, getting after each other or, like like really not happy with each other.
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. I I certainly understand that. Like, I grew up I grew up in a very conflict avoidant family, I think, specifically my mom. And I'm gonna be careful because I know that I don't know.
Danny:I don't know if she's listening to the podcast these days or not. But, you know, I I know how her and I fight and it's not pretty, it's not nice, it's not kind. Interestingly enough, you say the the you don't call each other names. The Gottman Institute. Do you know the Gottman?
Danny:They're a couple of family therapists and husband and wife. They are like the, I don't know, they probably are probably one of the leading experts on on relationships. They kind of created a list of of of items that successful couples do, like things that successful couples do or leading indicators of divorce. And the number one leading indicator of divorce was attacking your partner's credibility. That's not the word.
Danny:Word I'm looking for is assassinating their character. Character. Yeah. Assassinating their character. So by calling somebody that and I'm I was terrible about that.
Danny:Like, I until I got into therapy and realized how often I was personalizing things and not realizing that everything coming out of whomever I'm arguing with their mouth at that time is literally just a projection, I would I would just personalize it. I'd eat
Tyler:it up. I eat it up and
Danny:it would it would kill me and I'd be hurt. And so I'd hurt that person back. And so I wouldn't fight fair. Yeah. I wouldn't fight fair.
Tyler:Yeah. I mean, you know, your let's say your your wife shares or you're assuming, oh, this shares shares something that really, like, affected them as a child and you use that in a fight. Mhmm. You know, you use that or, like, later on in life, and you use that in a fight. You know?
Tyler:Those are yeah. The the way now that being said, I also am learning how to like, if you do if you if you if you do something that I don't like and I don't feel comfortable telling you, I am I am now starting to remove myself from those situations now.
Danny:Oh, yeah.
Tyler:I'm not know, I don't have to tell you every time what you've done wrong, or I don't have to talk to you every time about this bothered me. But if we have a friendship, we have a relationship and you and something has gone wrong or something is going not the way that I like it, I am now learning how to remove myself from these situations, which is fucking hard for a man who grew up with a woman and not a father figure because all you wanna do is please. All you want to do is please. You go, oh, I'm willing to put up with anything to make you happy. Mhmm.
Tyler:Right? And I'm, you know, it it it it's it's a struggle every day. It's a struggle every day that I'm going through with, like, learning to be like, okay. I don't like that. You know?
Tyler:I don't have to tell you I don't like it, and I and I don't have to be, like, ruminate on it Yeah. Even though I ruminate like a motherfucker on it. Mhmm. I can just start I'm starting to learn how to be, like, no. I'm gonna go ahead and just remove myself from these situations Mhmm.
Tyler:And not going to be as available as I once was. Yeah. Yeah. And and and whether you know or not, I don't also have to wonder if you know or not. Yeah.
Tyler:I know. I'm not as available as I once was. Right. You
Danny:know? And I I think it's on the person too. If they see you pulling back, right, like call it out. Hey, have I done something? Yes.
Danny:Right?
Tyler:And if they don't, guess what? The relationship didn't really matter anyways.
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. Right? I'm gonna make take the person, like, not everybody is that emotionally intelligent.
Tyler:I agree.
Danny:Right? Like, you can cut some people some slack. If it's repeated behavior, you know what I mean? Like, fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, what's the saying?
Danny:Fool me twice. Yeah. Shame on me again.
Tyler:Yeah. Shame on Yeah.
Danny:You ain't gonna fool me a three time third time.
Tyler:Suckers. Suckers. Yeah. I think, like, you're right. You're not taught boundaries, but we can we can help each other with boundaries.
Tyler:You know? You know, one thing that that that we've worked a lot with is is boundaries with people inside of our community. Mhmm. Boundaries with them. Right?
Tyler:Like, creating some boundaries of, like, you you can you can you can ask me whatever you wanna ask. But if it's to ask me about my friend's character or what my friend is doing, you can't ask me that. Mhmm. You you can't do that. Like, we may have some relationships of each other's people that were like Yeah.
Tyler:No. No. No. You can't do that. That's not fair to that person, like you said, because the first thing that you're trying to do is make me question their character, and now a sub person's character is is what they can stand on their laurels.
Tyler:Yeah. Right? It will and
Danny:it becomes a triangulated attack. Right? Why am I why am I going to that person? Am I trying to am I trying to get you on my side? Yeah.
Danny:Am I trying to get you on my side so you'll you'll help me? I I think honestly our brains is is mammals, they're awesome, but sometimes they just really get in the way.
Tyler:I think so too.
Danny:Right? Like, we're too smart sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe not me.
Danny:No. But there's the population in a whole. There's some as
Tyler:a whole.
Danny:There's somebody there's somebody
Tyler:For sure. Right?
Danny:There's somebody out there that's that's at least got me to question some things. So
Tyler:Yeah. We've talked about it before where, like, let's say somebody does assassinate your character. You literally can have a conversation with that person in your brain about how things could go, would go, how they should go. You're the person, and the person's not even there. You're literally having the conversation for them Right.
Tyler:And answering all the things that's going back and forth. You're playing table tennis Yeah. With your own self Yep. And you're answering as the person Yeah. Which is the craziest thing as humans because we're so evolved in our brain.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. That's what I hate about rumination. Oh, it's the worst. Rumination is is one of those things where you're just like, is it something that you could turn off?
Tyler:Do you know somebody personally that's that doesn't ruminate?
Danny:I don't know anyone. I'm I'm terrible at ruminating. I take that back. I think I know a couple people that don't ruminate. One of them, I don't know if that's a feature of benefit.
Danny:Yeah. Right? They just don't think about what they do in in general. So
Tyler:Yeah. I know I know of a person too that Yeah. That in my opinion doesn't ruminate that much. Maybe in in in emotional things doesn't but he prob they probably ruminate in other things like, you know, job and career
Danny:and things. Yeah.
Tyler:And even when you do you know anybody that has a good grasp on boundaries?
Danny:No. Because I think to say a good grasp on boundaries would be to say that they're, like, universal and that they're, like we have some morays. Right? Some things that are we do because we live in society, but I don't know that boundaries is one of those things that's universal.
Tyler:Yeah. I agree.
Danny:I think boundaries are set up to protect our own to protect ourselves. Right? So they're a function of they're kind of a function of the ego. Sure. There it's it's it's a you know, we set up boundaries to protect ourselves, to build, like I said, build those bridges.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. I I I don't I know people I know people that are working on their boundaries as well as myself, and I I know some people that have but I feel like they have okay boundaries, you know, that they don't that they are okay saying no. Mhmm. Which is one of those things where, like, me personally, it is the thing that I'm working on them the hardest is to say no.
Tyler:Oh, yeah. Like, if I don't wanna do it and I'm not, like, comfortable doing it, I want to learn to say no gracefully and without zero worry of what you're going to think now Yeah. Going forward. I think that's where I'd ruminate the most is if I say no or if I don't I don't knock every every pitch thrown at me out of the park, then I ruminate. Oh
Danny:my gosh.
Tyler:That fuck up.
Danny:It's a little level of perfectionism there. I'm I'm I'm similar. Yeah. I'm similar. It's interesting.
Danny:I just finished Rob Lowe's book, The Stories I Only Tell My Friends, and he talks about that too. Growing up as a child actor, his mom was kind of interesting. She must have had some things going on because she had some some mental things, but like, he didn't really have anyone there to kind of help negotiate stuff that people were asking him to do. Right? So he would answer end up answering questions that somebody at 19, 18, does a new movie star, new television star shouldn't answer.
Danny:He was taking pictures, you know, doing things, agreeing to things that he just because he wanted to be he wanted to be in the business. He wanted to break into the business. Right. But he he admits to being a people pleaser, you know, and just and just wanting it. And he's like, yeah, it took me years to figure out how to say no Yeah.
Danny:And Yeah. Have advocate for myself. And I'm yeah.
Tyler:I like to I like I I need to read that book because I definitely think I'm a people pleaser. Yeah. I definitely think I am. And I think I'm I'm learning. I'm getting better, you know.
Tyler:And and and what I don't want what I see with my boys is they're both the same way. They both are Yeah. People pleasers. I've been trying to work on harder about giving better advice to not be a people pleaser. But, today, I was giving shits and advice, and I could hear, like, why are you saying this to him?
Tyler:And then I changed my tone and changed what I thought, and I was like, you know what? Actually, this is how I would do it. And I changed my route. Mhmm. And so, yeah.
Tyler:And I don't want I think that there's some good and some bad parts about, you know, being a people pleaser.
Danny:Oh, yeah.
Tyler:But a lot of times is that your boundaries do get crossed a little too many times when you're a people pleaser. Yeah. And that's one thing that I thought is like, no. Let's set some hard and fast boundaries and then don't don't falter from them.
Danny:Yeah. You know? And I
Tyler:think, like, especially for you with your health, like, you got you've got to set some boundaries
Danny:with people.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. You know, with stings. Like, no, I don't want to deal with that. No.
Tyler:Like, yesterday, I kept trying to get you to go in the sun and you were like, I'm good. I'm good. I was like, yeah, you wanna sit there for a minute? You're like, no. I'm good.
Tyler:No. I'm good. I know that I'm gonna get crispy like a bacon. That's what he kept saying.
Danny:It doesn't it doesn't even tan. It just turns red. It's like a white albino rat. You know, they're like all pink and kinda gross.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Yeah. It's like that.
Tyler:Yeah. Boundaries, yeah, I think that's a good thing that I think that just the start of them is is important.
Danny:So Where do you where do you start? Where do you start with boundaries?
Tyler:I think with boundaries, you start what you're willing to accept and what you're not willing to accept, and then build on top of both of them. Yeah. And then if it makes you feel icky Mhmm. That's a boundary. It's been crossed.
Tyler:If it makes you feel like, I don't like this. I'm not having fun, then okay. Maybe the first time, okay. Cool. The second time, maybe the time to say no.
Tyler:Every once in a while, say no and be like, you know what? No. No. I'm okay. Thank you for the offer.
Tyler:Thank you for thank you for thinking of me. Thank you for everything that you've done, but no. I'm you know, I think I would be I think I'm okay now. Yeah. But personally, that's how I am starting is just being still grateful and gracious and kind because I I value those things about myself.
Tyler:And if they've been pushed too many times, then I'm also okay going, I've told you no. Yeah. Yeah. I've said no. Should we talk a little bit about
Danny:I want to close I wanna wrap. Like, any other anything else on boundaries that we do?
Tyler:Check that out, dude.
Danny:Had an amazing we had an amazing day yesterday.
Tyler:Yeah. Look at that. That's crazy. Sup fest.
Danny:Yeah. If you're if you're just listening, you're not seeing Danny's t shirt.
Tyler:I'm gonna post this on the I'll post this on social media. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't been doing very much social media.
Danny:I have not been creating.
Tyler:On my on I've committed to only only doing social media for my bus only for my bus. Only for my anything that my bus is involved. If it's not my bus involved, I've kind of been like, no. I'm kinda good.
Danny:It's I'm I'm consuming personally, I'm consuming so much that it's killed any creativity that I have.
Tyler:Oh, yeah.
Danny:I'm with you. Like, I've
Tyler:I've Yeah. Podcast, bus Yeah. Anything like that?
Danny:Great. I'm hitting the restart button this this summer, this fall. It's gonna be we're gonna be changing.
Tyler:Turn this up.
Danny:But Park City sup, this is the second year I've I've attended. Okay. Incredible. It's such a cool event. It's such a cool event.
Tyler:Last year, we went.
Danny:Why isn't it like, why how do we get this thing to be bigger? How do we make it bigger?
Tyler:That was triple the size this year.
Danny:It
Tyler:was. Triple the size, triple the competitors. Trent, Hickman, Carla, Derek, Abby, their little family put this together. They got sponsors. Pickles.
Danny:Pickles, the dog, was the hero of the show.
Tyler:We we got there. Uh-huh. Matt and I picked you up Uh-huh. At 07:30. We or seven ish.
Tyler:We got there at 07:30. We got right on there, and Trent was in full on Yep. Panic mode. Yep. You know, the park rangers were not being cool.
Tyler:He had been doing this for ten years. He said that the park ranger is not being cool. He's kind of, like, not telling him some shit the day of.
Danny:And, dude, that park ranger yesterday, we got there and he was like, what a good example of an hourly mall cop, like, just trying to flex.
Tyler:He had a little bit of power.
Danny:Yeah. He had his he had his $12.99 DNR hourly wage and his DNR shirt and his key to unlock things. I know. He just he wanted to be powerful.
Tyler:He was he he definitely had this, I have control, you don't. I'm going to flex on you. And when he was like, can I talk? Can I talk?
Danny:Yeah. I had to walk away.
Tyler:I was like
Danny:I had to walk away.
Tyler:This is the this is the customer, dude. Yeah. Who what what in what world do you live on that that's the way we the way that you treat your customer?
Danny:Yeah. I had I had to walk away.
Tyler:This person is about to make your state park, one, have a lot of people show up, two Right. For an excellently run dude. Right. Just Trent running that event with his little tiny staff, and he's got a business at Deer Valley that he's running. He has all these things going on.
Tyler:Just this little tiny he ran that event smoothly.
Danny:Oh, it was awesome.
Tyler:The races ran smoothly. Everything ran smoothly with his little tiny group, and this little shit is talk yeah. No. Stop. Stop.
Tyler:Let me talk.
Danny:Can I talk now? Can I talk now?
Tyler:Yeah. What in the world? Yeah. No. You can't talk.
Tyler:Unlock the damn tables. Yeah. You shithead. Yeah. Races.
Tyler:I did the race.
Danny:There was three races. K. A kid's race. K. That was one lap.
Danny:Right? And you were saying that the each lap was
Tyler:Just about over a half a mile.
Danny:Just about a half a mile. A little over half a mile. And then the second race was two laps.
Tyler:Yep.
Danny:And then the big race, the big kid race, which is one you did
Tyler:Four laps.
Danny:Four laps for a total of
Tyler:It's about just over two and a half maybe just under two and a half miles
Danny:Two and half miles.
Tyler:Of paddle boarding. Mhmm. What was your thoughts on, like, just the pavilion, the way they set up? This year, he had I think he had a a somebody set up the music for them, and they just came in there and ran the music. Right?
Danny:Dude, that was that was awesome. Again, I will my only critique, start the music earlier. Yeah. Let them play. They can start.
Danny:Like, I don't know. I I felt bad. I wanted to stay for the reggae bands. I just did not have the gas in the tank.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And they sounded so good.
Tyler:They were good.
Danny:They sounded so good. The two songs that I and the warm up that I heard them, like But
Tyler:you didn't you didn't get any of this music.
Danny:I I listened to the first two songs and then I left.
Tyler:Dude, these guys yeah. Let's the race. So let's talk about the race in itself. Yeah. You and Matt helped them set up the arch.
Tyler:They'd already had us set up the the course. We moved the tables. We set we we luckily, Trent had us because we did set we we set we'll help set up.
Danny:And he he sent me a text message thanking me last night. I'm like, I didn't do all that. Like, I'm grateful that I got the invite. Like, I'd
Tyler:You were good to your support. No. You did. You helped move the table.
Danny:Mean Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler:I mean We we did a lot of we we helped them a bunch of We ran back and forth. The course itself so Trent says, hey. There's your board. I was up in the fence about if I was going to actually race or not. We didn't get home from the rodeo till late.
Tyler:Mhmm. And I didn't sleep very well. I woke up, and I was like, oh, I thought, do I really wanna race? Do I really wanna race? And we picked you guys up.
Tyler:And by the time I picked you, me, and Matt, by the time we drove to got on Jordan L, I was pretty excited for the event at that point besides the fact that they wouldn't let the guy was being a jerk. And where where where we ended up putting the bus was really awesome, and and our and then we set the bus up like we normally do. We we put all the aesthetics up. We put the coolers out. We had everything showing the way that it was supposed to be, our little group of people.
Tyler:And just so you know, like, everybody kept coming up to us and going, I love your setup. Love where you why how did you guys get this spot? And here we you know, Tyler and I and our families and Nick and his family and we're just all hanging out. And, of course, you know, there's some envy, you know, and you don't wanna be, like, take away from anything because you want the spotlight to be the the the bands in the party. Yeah.
Tyler:But of I mean, like, no people coming over, taking pictures in the bus and touring the bus and, you know, just walking all over everything. It was great. It was it was so fun. As soon as I was like, okay. I'm gonna do the race.
Tyler:He's like, there's your paddleboard. Go take it out. Try it. It's a race board, and I'm out there, I'm like, I'm gonna die. There's no way I can control this board.
Tyler:I'm used to a big fat paddleboard. And the whole I ended up using a bit bigger of a board. It was a lot to do. Yeah. The weather and the conditions were choppy, but you had to go out around and make these two big turns, these two big corner turns.
Tyler:Those were the hardest. Those were really hard. It was like trying to paddle, backstroke, get your board turned around. Oh my gosh. The second lap, honestly, Tyler, on my third lap, was like, I think I wanna be done.
Tyler:And then I'd get to around the corner and Misty and my sister and her friends would be like, ringing the bears and bells. I could hear Trent. Come on, Danny. Just a little bit longer. Come on, Danny.
Tyler:You got this. And I was like, alright. I can finish. It was one of the hardest things I've done. Oh, yeah.
Tyler:My shoulders, my back, my legs were so sore. I ended up finishing in thirty two minutes, and I think right about sixth, maybe sixth. I I don't know how those guys finish faster than that. It was it was hard. And it gives you a lot of I was talking to some of the other competitors, and they were like, that was a lot harder than I thought.
Tyler:And it also gives you some in my mind, I was like, man, I kinda wanna go because you can do paddleboard from one end of the lake to the other end of the lake and then back. And there are people that do the whole shoreline and stuff, and that would be a big day. Right? It it definitely gives you some idea that, like, it's it's definitely a workout. I mean, my legs, my my you know what's really weird is my hands are really sore and my feet, my toes are really sore because you're constantly Yeah.
Tyler:Breaking the board and, like Yeah.
Danny:Hadn't thought about that.
Tyler:And I was like, my my toes are cramping a little bit.
Danny:I hadn't thought about that. Yeah. You're probably right.
Tyler:Yeah. And and I I would say there's probably about 50 competitors easily. Right?
Danny:Mhmm.
Tyler:Last year, I think there were, like, 15. It was insane.
Danny:You know?
Tyler:And then then the band set up. Yeah. You know? Professor's band played, Hail Mary. Shout out to them.
Tyler:They sounded great. Reggae band is Smiling Souls Reggae.
Danny:Mhmm.
Tyler:They covered stick figure. They covered Bob Marley. They definitely were all covered. They might have had a couple of songs that were I mean, professor's band, all original songs, one cover. Reggae band, mostly covers, but these big, huge poly guys, and they were awesome.
Tyler:You know, I talked to them a couple of times. Everybody from the academy was there, lots of trans friends, lots of people from you know, it's so funny because you you all you know, from the community, you know, so many people from around, you know. And so it was great. You guys ended up you the kids came with you.
Danny:Yep. Yeah. I I you you know, Trump put out the call and he just said, hey, I'd love for you to come down and and and hang out and watch it. And I kind of just spaced the date. I forgot.
Danny:I wouldn't have that's just my brain. Right? My brain these days. Yeah. But yeah, I'm so glad I did it.
Danny:It's always such a good time. It's the place is so busy. It's busy. It's so busy.
Tyler:There's so many people there.
Danny:So many people on paddleboards. Like, I felt like I felt like the park could have done more to help him. Like, didn't really they don't really it's like they didn't really care. And maybe that's it. Maybe they don't.
Danny:Maybe it's because they're $20 an hour employees, they don't And
Tyler:and his 40 people don't really account for the fact of the 50,000 But people over
Danny:his 40 people could have been, you know what I mean? Like, could have been a lot more with a little bit of help from from the staff there. Think about all the people showing up, they could've could've participated in a cool audible race.
Tyler:I think that's part of the government right now. Yeah. They just don't give a shit.
Danny:They just don't give a shit.
Tyler:So he did a raffle.
Danny:He did a raffle. Lots of cool hats, prizes. Did you win anything?
Tyler:I sure did. I've been telling him. He put up there that he was gonna be a Pacifico paddle board giving The the you could win Pacifico. Pacifico, which by the way, you guys know Tyler and I, we love Pacifico. If Pacifico would ever love to sponsor us, we would take that sponsorship.
Tyler:We'll we'll drink beer at my bus. We'll drink beer anywhere. We'll we'll we can Tyler and I can guarantee the rest of our lives, for the rest of time we're drinking beer, that we'll only drink Pacifico. I can guarantee that.
Danny:Yeah. I I think as a a regular kinda go to, I'm kind of the same way. I don't I enjoy everything. I
Tyler:You're from Denver. You guys are snobs.
Danny:We
Tyler:These Colorado people, they are snobs about beer. I've been to Colorado. I get it. You guys are snobby about beer.
Danny:That no. It's not that's just to say that I have a wide variety of tastes when it comes to beer. I would never, under any circumstances, drink any sort of IPA yesterday in the sun. Like, people chugging at Coors or chugging a Natty Light. I'm like, gross.
Danny:Gross. I will drink a Pacifico.
Tyler:I
Danny:know. I'll drink a Corona.
Tyler:Good. Yeah. Nothing else?
Danny:I mean, no. No. I mean, I'll I'll I'll drink like the nicer IPAs, like the more but that's like a I'm going to have something to try for the experience the experience
Tyler:a little bit. Yeah.
Danny:So you got a fucking paddleboard.
Tyler:I won the Pacifico paddleboard. I'll put a picture up. It's on my it's on our Instagram. It's on Trent. So what ended up happening was is we get to the paddleboard, and he says, k.
Tyler:You need to be present to win it because I wanna take a picture. But if you're not here because everywhere else everything else, they were like, hey. We'll set that aside. We'll give it to him because I'll see you. But he said, for the paddleboard, you have to be here.
Tyler:And I was like, Trent, that is going home with me. Just all the way up to yesterday, he's like, Danny's been talking about this since I put it out there. He's gonna win this thing. Pulls the first name, blah blah blah, not here. Pulls the second name, not here.
Tyler:Third, fourth, fifth, not here. And each time I was like, I'm so One
Danny:name closer. And
Tyler:he pulls and he goes, oh, I cannot believe this happened. He goes, of course of course, this is not a joke. Danny. Danny wins in, you know, the reggae band was going, and everybody cheered. I went up there, and him and I took a picture, and I was like, I knew I was going home with that thing.
Tyler:I manifested it. It was it was so fun. It was such a good time. The day the day was great. All of our friends and family there, everybody being hanging out.
Tyler:Trent, Carla, shout out.
Danny:Amazing. Amazing event. You too.
Tyler:Go see them at Park City Sup in, at Deer Valley. You can go there, trips there, couple of the kids there. They always have paddleboards available. They have lots of stuff. The beach, the food, the vibe up there is amazing.
Tyler:It's pretty cool. I would love to support them as much as possible. Yeah. You know, maybe next year, Lost Boy Scouts podcast will will sponsor something for them because Yeah. I'd like to see it grow, like Tyler said.
Tyler:I would like to see so many more people out there. I'd like to see that thing grow to whatever height he can get.
Danny:Honestly, with with as many people that were out there with paddleboards, there's there's no reason it shouldn't.
Tyler:No reason.
Danny:Like, it it I mean, sorry, Danny. I don't mean to put you on the spot. It's like you're paddleboarding every day. You know what I mean?
Tyler:Like Oh, yeah. You're right.
Danny:You could have an open class. People just bring their paddle boards, like and this isn't they just did such a good job.
Tyler:I just
Danny:wanna see it grow. Like, I'm just such fans that I'm like, I want this for them too.
Tyler:And and just their vibe, just the way that they are as people, you you wanna be around them more, you wanna hang out with them more. Carla is amazing. Yeah. She's amazing, you know, and and so big shout out to them. Thank you for thank you for having us out there.
Tyler:Thank you for letting us put the bus there, and hopefully, we can continue to grow the relationship and grow our brands together and and keep going. So Park City sup. And I always used to say that wrong. I would say soup, but it's not soup. It's stand up.
Tyler:So Park City sup.
Danny:That's what you're like. Sup?
Tyler:Sup.
Danny:No. I'm paddle boarding. Yeah. That's what I mean. Sup.
Tyler:Yeah. So I appreciate you. Yeah. I've gotta go to work.
Danny:Yeah. Let's cut it there. Hey. Thank you for putting up with our erratic schedule. That's on me.
Danny:We'll get better. We'll only get better.
Tyler:Yeah. The mic is Two episodes coming out. That's still that we can get people going. Yeah. Get things going.
Tyler:Yeah. Got lots more content to talk about.
Danny:We just gotta get it's again, it's getting back into that routine. It's the the tiny shit that is routinized that that falls apart. So thank you Danny for making time.
Tyler:Appreciate it.
Danny:Love you, brother. Appreciate you. Thank you for picking me up.
Tyler:See you guys. Cheers.
