What Men Don’t Say Out Loud
Let's go. Alright.
Tyler:Here are the here we are.
Danny:Here we are.
Tyler:Another inconsistent episode. Yeah. Gotta be we gotta be gentle to ourselves. A lot's going on. We got
Danny:Well, we were just talking about it. We we're just got done with training.
Tyler:Training.
Danny:Yeah. Oh my gosh. What a night,
Tyler:Dude, big big crowd.
Danny:Big group.
Tyler:Big crowd.
Danny:Really good fun. Everything was god buzzing. Yeah. It's kinda what you want. Right?
Danny:Yeah. I was not in the mood.
Tyler:I didn't really wanna go today either.
Danny:Yeah. I got home. Misty and I started to decorate our Christmas tree. By the way, sometimes my wife I love her. I love her a lot.
Danny:Just so I'm I'm going to say that I love her so much. But our house is literally a Pinterest dream. Everything that she does is so meticulous. Yeah. It's so thought through.
Danny:It's so OCD. Everything has its place. She spends hours, Tyler. Hours on tiny details. Right?
Danny:And then I bitch fucking pissed off at the world, drink some tequila mad, have a couple of cut waters, and I'm bitching and complaining. And then I walk in today and I'm like, look at my fucking house. How amazing my wife is. And then she wanted to decorate our Christmas tree.
Tyler:Sets the tone.
Danny:And I didn't have enough beer and have enough tequila. Oh, no. And I still had to go to training. She wanted to dude, we have light it it it was wild. And so the only reason why I went is because I had to pick you up.
Tyler:Oh, good. I'm glad you did because it was probably the only reason I went
Danny:to That's the only reason.
Tyler:Because I was I
Danny:had to pick you up.
Tyler:Yeah. I did not sleep. I had the I had the strangest dream last night.
Danny:You said this.
Tyler:I've been I've been, you know, I've had a lot of extra time on my hands. I've been getting into the some some alien stuff. There was a recent Rogan podcast that that caught my interest
Danny:about Weird.
Tyler:About the age of disclosure. I haven't seen the video yet, but I started reading I I've always kind of had this fascination with Skinwalker Ranch because it's like in our backyard.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:We're in the Uinta Basin. So the Uinta Basin is known for historically having some some very very strange happenings as far as, you know, supernatural things. And we won't that, you know, that's not the purpose of our podcast, but I had the dream that that me and my son hunted a skinwalker and killed it.
Danny:Really?
Tyler:Yeah. And then I had like the darkest feeling the rest of the night. Like the energy was just like
Danny:You know what's weird is that when we were talking about this earlier and you were telling me about it and you said Skinwalker Mhmm. I was thinking Game of Thrones. Oh. Because I have been watching the Game of Thrones Yeah. The first I started the whole episode, the whole series over.
Danny:Oh, yeah. There And was a lot that I missed. But when you said this earlier to me and we were driving to training, I was in my mind, I was thinking the the the blue eyed
Tyler:Oh, yeah. The White Walkers.
Danny:White Walkers.
Tyler:The White Walkers.
Danny:I didn't put two and two together, the skin walkers. Let me tell you something. I have been to Vernal and have been late at night, dark. It is dark as fuck out there, dude. Yeah.
Danny:And I've thought to myself, close your eyes because if you start thinking weird shit, dude, it's weird out there. Yeah. It that's whole thing is weird Yeah. To me, you know. I'm not a big fan of that shit.
Tyler:It's I'm I'm not either, but I there's just it's just so weird. I've just decided. I'm gonna keep an open mind. I'm gonna read some books. Sure.
Tyler:Kinda go down this rabbit hole a little bit, but I think after I finish this book I've been to Venner Vernal as well. But the the whole It's a trick out there, dude. It is.
Danny:One of the coolest places I've went there, you know Incredible mountain biking. Mountain biking? You know that there used to be an amusement park I didn't know. Out there? There used to be like this big casino amusement park out there with the Indians.
Tyler:Interesting.
Danny:There used to be a lot of stuff out there that eventually got torn down. But Vernal has a lot of history Yeah. With the Indians behind it.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:And Buffalo soldiers. And Buffalo soldiers.
Tyler:I didn't
Danny:know that.
Tyler:I was reading my book. Indians and Buffalo soldiers and Yeah. They were all Freemasons.
Danny:Yep.
Tyler:So it's like super like random stuff.
Danny:Tons of Yeah. You guys have a lot going on with each other. You Mormon people in the Freemasons.
Tyler:Mormon people in the Freemasons. Yeah. They're
Danny:Yeah. I was a pretty like I said, I I did not wanna go. When I got when we started training, I was not in the mood. And I was thinking to myself, fuck, Danny. You gotta get going because if not, you're gonna get your ass kicked tonight because there was just monsters on that.
Danny:Right?
Tyler:No easy rounds.
Danny:And once we started to get the groove going and I started to get my groove going, I was really happy I was there. I was not as fucking there. It was. But the energy was really good. And it goes to along the lines of what what we were talking about on the way home, which was, you know, the this year has not been the easiest year for us with the podcast.
Danny:But it also hasn't been the easiest for like our our our friendship, where we stand, like what we need from each other. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Because a lot of times I'm like, man, Tyler's going through this thing and god, this heavy fucking thing that I have no idea what it's like.
Danny:Mhmm. I have zero understanding of what a day in the life of Tyler looked like when you were in the cancer in the cancer realms. I had no idea, but I was like, sometimes I'd be like, God, does he just need time for himself? We'd be talking and I don't even know if you would know, but we would be talking. And then all of a sudden, the direction of our conversation would change and I'd be like, I can't keep up.
Tyler:I yeah. I I'm coming out of a serious chemo fog. Like, what I what I noticed out of all of the side effects, out of everything that I went through, all the damage and healing and repair that like cognitively, that was the thing I was probably the most aware of. I think on the podcast, I told the story about the coffee. Did I tell the story about the coffee?
Tyler:No.
Danny:I remember.
Tyler:Maybe I'll recap. Like, I mean, I just got to a point near the end of my treatment where I'm on this particular drug, this Atra drug. And I like to point fingers at it because it's the most and I know I've talked about on the podcast the Atra, but it's the one that crosses the blood brain barrier and blah blah blah blah blah. But like there was a point near the end. I thought round four would just be like, hey, I'm a breeze.
Tyler:I did not realize by the time round four rolled around how just kind of out of control I felt in my head. Mhmm. I did not feel in control of anything. And I'm now detoxing from all of these drugs. I'm detoxing from arsenic and I've stopped smoking weed that was helping with me with nausea.
Tyler:And like, I'm feeling like I'm coming back into myself. I have more clarity. I I couldn't even like, I wasn't even focused. Like, I was I was at my doctor ready to just say, hey, like, lock me up. I feel like I'm I'm going Yes.
Danny:You did tell the coffee story.
Tyler:Yeah. I'm going mentally insane. And I I've had a whole thing where I, you know, I pour
Danny:out coffee.
Tyler:Pour out the coffee and and This is so wild. Yeah. Yeah. And and and I I think the biggest thing is that, like, cognitively, knew that I was wrong but I didn't feel like I was in control.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:And so now that I'm kind of coming off of these things, I'm feeling the control coming back. I'm feeling the clarity come back. Yeah. And it's now now illuminating what what am I doing? Where what am I doing?
Tyler:What's next? Right? Like, 2026 is right around the corner. It's and and so
Danny:Well, and I and I told you tonight that I didn't feel like I was the best friend to you the last couple of months because there were lots of times when I was just like, oh, man, I don't know what to say. Don't know what to do. Yeah. And my own journey I love Riley right now.
Tyler:She is just all And about her
Danny:and I think it's because of boredom. Right?
Tyler:Oh, she has been cooped up
Danny:that Like, you know, like, I get the same way, like, I'm, like, chasing my tail.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:But I felt like the my own bullshit or my own shit Yeah. Was like, I kinda gotta like I don't have the time or the energy to be like, how's Tyler today?
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:Yeah. You know? Even though, like, when we would talk, I'd we'd be like, hey, how how are you?
Tyler:Yeah. We were
Danny:trying Sometimes it felt superficial of, like, just like checking a box. Yeah. You know? And I was like, fuck, I don't wanna do that either because that's not who I am. And I know that's not who you are either.
Danny:But we have this platform. And then it's like, of course, we're fucking real life. We're we're not I go back to our episode one, which is Lost, and our episode two
Tyler:You're not invited to the podcast.
Danny:Which was reinvention. Right? And we go back to those those what what were we looking for? Why did we do this? All this other thing.
Danny:But here we are in this new version of of ourselves and what's it gonna look like? Hey.
Tyler:She's the unofficial mascot of the podcast.
Danny:I love it. And I wonder if her ear will ever go
Tyler:Yeah. I don't know.
Danny:That one will go straight.
Tyler:Sometimes it does. Sometimes it does. I think I don't know.
Danny:Yeah. We Sorry.
Tyler:Well, I know and we we digress. We digress.
Danny:No. It's okay. It's it's it's it goes back to the our goals. What do we see ourselves as being? And truth of the matter is is fuck it.
Danny:Yeah. Fuck it. We're we're we're men who are who who are every day have to wake up and be 100% on and no no faltering. And even when we falter, we are like, no, fuck that. We're not faltering.
Tyler:I think it's, I think it's been, it has definitely been an interesting ride. Right. We've grown through and I'm not the only one who's going through, you know, my, you've got your own, your own trials. I think I'm aware of it and I'm trying not to be selfish in saying, Hey, I need Danny. I need this person.
Tyler:Like, I want to be cognizant. I never want to get in the way of what Danny's got going on. I want to be Danny's biggest cheerleader. And because I felt that, you know, regardless of of what's going on in the dynamic, like, I've I've always felt like Danny's always in my corner. Sure.
Tyler:Right? Like, maybe it's not he's not showing up in the way I need him to, but he's I know he's there.
Danny:Sure.
Tyler:I know he's there. And I hope that that's the same the same you feel that same reciprocation. And I I I love that the concept of of being lost. Like, we had we we had such a good platform. We had such a good thing going, and now we've got to get back to the basics.
Tyler:And what are the basics for the podcast? What are our roots? What do we really want to accomplish with this? And and it's it's about finding yourself in these situations where you feel lost.
Danny:And being okay. Right? Right. Because that's what I think that's where I struggled the most of like, I wasn't okay with, like, what did you need? Yeah.
Danny:And what did I need? Yeah. You know? And then what did our friendship need? Yeah.
Danny:And our friendship, like, like, I never worry about our friendship. Right. Like, I never do. Yeah. And I was telling you, like, you know, there are times when I know that I'm like, fuck.
Danny:I 100% let Tyler down. No. Not not like that you felt that way or not that you would feel that way. But even if you did, you could be like, no. Yeah.
Danny:You did. But you would also go like, oh, fuck that. Don't fucking feel that way. Yeah.
Tyler:Well, and I mean, the the the the feeling was mutual. Right? Like, I know that like, hey, Danny's not calling me. Maybe I need to reach out. Right?
Tyler:Like, I am aware that I am going through shit and I just need to reach out. And I'm throwing that lifeline out there and maybe it feels like I'm checking the box. But like, sometimes maybe that's all like That's we can what can do. We can do is just check that box and we can just hope that at some point we get to a point where we can take a breath and we can say, okay.
Danny:And that's when you think like men get in their own way. Right? Yeah. Because I bet there's men out there that go, no, fuck that. Yeah.
Danny:This is I'm worried about me. Yeah. You know, and I'm self preservation me. Right. Right.
Danny:And that's what I want men to understand is that this world is not built. It's not built for you to be in this like, woe is me. Yeah. But we get fucking woe is me. And I even think like the holidays bring those feelings forefront.
Danny:Right? Because you have all these expectations. You have all these things like I was, you know, I told you, like, last week Misty was she she needed something and I didn't know what to do. I was like, fuck, man. I'm not you know, I've got to save money.
Danny:Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm not spending money on what you want me to spend money on. Yeah.
Danny:And then it was like, fuck it, man. I'm gonna make more money. I don't care. Yeah. You know, and I bought her a plane ticket and she was so happy.
Danny:And and had I just like done that from the beginning instead of being stubborn and being like, no, I got to preserve. I just came through a government shutdown. Yeah. I got to pay my mortgage. Man, I got to get ahead of my bills.
Danny:My I I had two bills that I wanted to pay off, and I got really close to paying them off. And I didn't have, you know, money in the bank for some things that she wanted. And we got into a fight about it. Yeah. And I was like, goddamn it.
Danny:My my I mean, I get I go I get tunnel vision, Tyler, like, 100% tunnel vision.
Tyler:I can't even imagine how frustrating it would be to be working an incredibly stressful job that you work and then to have to how insulting it is to get a pay stub that just says zero?
Danny:Zero.
Tyler:Just says zero.
Danny:Two of them. Yeah. And then my last ones because so let me tell you what happened to me that that that like, let me tell you what happened to me that like I got in my own head. And I haven't shared this with very many people. I'm a veteran.
Danny:Right? Mhmm. I've done this job for almost thirty years. When I get when I get done, I'm almost thirty years. I started in the military.
Danny:And so on Veterans Day, I took the day off because Misty was having a moment. I took two days off. Veterans Day. When you take a day off on a holiday for government, it's it's eight hours of nothing. You get eight hours of just there's just so it's a holiday.
Danny:So it's just considered. Yeah. Nothing. I've got this supervisor at my work that decided they wanted to make a name out of me and wanted to make a lesson to you. And they marked me as AWOL.
Danny:AWOL is absent without leave. In the military, that means I haven't called, I haven't checked in, I haven't given anything. Right? This person marked me down as AWOL on Veterans Day, and I'm a fucking veteran. I was so mad, Tyler.
Danny:I was so mad. I went to work, and I didn't say one whole night, I didn't say a single thing to anybody besides the airplane. Didn't talk to nobody. And they kept saying, Danny, are you alright? Danny, are you alright?
Danny:And you know what I kept saying is I kept saying, I'm a fucking veteran. And I took Veterans Day off, and you marked me as AWOL. And you know what they told me? They said that's a placeholder. We didn't know if you had enough leave to cover it.
Danny:We we're in a government shutdown. And I'm like, fuck you. I'm a veteran. Yeah. I served my country.
Danny:I've done everything that I'm supposed to do at this job. You marked me AWOL. And they were like, it's a placeholder. And I said, in my world, with all of my military family, if I told them that I got marked as AWOL, they would think that I'm a piece of shit. Yeah.
Danny:Because I've never called because I didn't call in, I didn't check-in, I just didn't show up for work. No. That's not what happened. I just took the day off That is to help my wife get through a moment. I bought her a plane ticket that day because I was like, you know what?
Danny:Fuck it, man. I'm gonna make more money. Yeah. When I seen that I and I went to work and I seen that I was marked as AWOL. I was so mad, Tyler, that I I didn't get out of my own head for almost three days.
Danny:For almost three days. I sat at work. I didn't talk to people. I finally started to come out of it. And they were like, we were so worried about you, Danny.
Danny:And I was like, fuck you. Yeah. Fuck you, man. I don't wanna be I don't wanna deal with this kind of shit. And that solidified me knowing that this job was not for me anymore.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And and and that just gives a little backstory to like where I was at the last couple of weeks. Was just like, I don't wanna be a part of this shit no more. Yeah.
Danny:But it I couldn't get out of my own way. You know, I was showing up to like training in, like, a fog. I was showing up to my house in a Yeah. I was showing up to, like, wrestling in a fog. I was showing up to life in a fog.
Danny:All because these cocksuckers in this moment, you know. And, yeah, it was a bummer.
Tyler:That is dude, I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry you shouldered that by yourself, and I probably wasn't a good enough friend to reach out and see it. I'm sorry.
Danny:I didn't share it with nobody. I I shared it with my wife and my kids, and they were and they were cool. I shared it with some people at work that knew, you know, but I was so mad. And I couldn't get out of it, man. I couldn't get out of it.
Danny:And and even right now, like, I'll joke around about it at work. But for right now, I have sixteen hours of leave or sixteen hours of of work that I'm not getting paid for because I was marked AWOL.
Tyler:And they can't go back in and fix it.
Danny:Right now, they tell me that our system is not letting us fix it. Sixteen hours. That's differentials. It's holiday stuff. It's like it's all these, like, things on extra.
Danny:So sixteen hours at my pay would be close to, like, you know, $2,000.
Tyler:Jesus.
Danny:And I I don't know if I'll get it.
Tyler:Write your congressman.
Danny:And they don't give a fuck. I got a I got a letter from my congressman that said, thank you for telling me that you were government shutdown. Please look at what I'm doing. And I was like, no, fuck you. Yeah.
Danny:You know, they don't care. They don't. He's a republican. He doesn't care, man. He walks with shit.
Danny:Man. Still again. Yeah. It's not it's not it's an unfortunate situation for me, but then I remember, like, how great I have it. Yeah.
Danny:You know, how how good my life is. And and what this platform for me means is that I can vent and other people can be like, yeah, I was in that moment too, you know, and Yeah. And I didn't I I wasn't my best self, you know, but I I could I can crawl my way out of it. And you prob other people probably be like, nobody really knew that I was going through those things. No.
Danny:Besides my wife, you know, she knew that I was, like, struggling mentally, wanting to grab people by their fucking throat, you know, and being like a little like Yeah. You know? Yeah. She the
Tyler:way I was feeling medicated. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And and and yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. Thirty five days.
Danny:That's That's all I have left. Thirty five days.
Tyler:Man, I'm I'm I'm proud of you for pulling yourself out of it. And I'm I'm grateful for your friendship and I'm grateful that that that we have this platform. Like the platform is lead by example. Right? Like ductus exemplo.
Tyler:I don't I didn't I was I've been doing a lot of family history research and I realized my my grandfather was served in World War two.
Danny:Okay.
Tyler:My great grandfather served in World War one, and our military service stopped because the the importance was to go on a mission.
Danny:Oh.
Tyler:And I'm like, man, I feel so robbed. Yeah. Because I think to me that brotherhood would have been a lot more important and long lasting. Like, I look back at the people that I still contact from my mission. I'm in touch with one person Yeah.
Tyler:Over that two years. And I'm like, the relationships, I I just didn't I didn't build what I wanted to build. It wasn't it wasn't it wasn't me. It was I did it for somebody else, I think. Yeah.
Tyler:You know? And, you know, I, I've, if I had a mulligan, I would have gone back and figured out how to serve, to serve something bigger like this country. And I, and I'm, I'm proud to have friends that are veterans like you and I'm sorry you got fucked over. Yeah. It's not right.
Tyler:And I'm gonna write my congressman and
Danny:Motherfuckers. Yeah. Well, then and then, you know, then I'm gonna pile on, dude. Then for then on last so I got paid not last Friday, but the Friday before. I wake up and I'm like, oh, I'll get in a paycheck, you know, and it's going be good.
Danny:And I like I said, I paid paid a bill down that I just was like, oh, I kind of wish I had that money back. But I I'd I'd fucking I'd just just do this, Danny. That's what kind of made me a Misty fight. And then my cousin texted me and he goes, hey, did any of you guys get that $10,000? And I was like, oh, no.
Danny:Oh, fucking no. And he said, the only people in my unit that got it didn't even weren't even working for us. They were just shown in our building, but they didn't they they weren't in our building. So what what I what I, in that moment, deduced is that everybody's gonna get screwed. So what happened was is they released they were gonna give $10,000 if you did not take any leave during the shutdown.
Danny:Well, I took those two days off. Those two days off. One was both days was to hang out with my wife because she was going through just something that I needed to be there for. The only two days I took off was those two days. So I Google $10,000 and sure shit.
Danny:They're talking about how they they're giving $10,000 to air traffic controllers that didn't take any leave off. There's probably 15,000 air traffic controllers ish. Do you know how many people got it? 760.
Tyler:Wow.
Danny:Do you know why? Because those people probably were not controlling traffic. They were like, they're upstairs doing other bullshit. Clerical. And maybe they're not like, they probably don't need to take the leave because they're not controlling traffic.
Tyler:They're not they're not they're not
Danny:They're being affected by what was going on.
Tyler:They don't have the stress.
Danny:They don't have the stress. They're not working six day work week. Yeah. They're not working, you know, sixty Nine to five hours work. Right?
Danny:They're these guys are probably lost their they probably lost the ability to control. 760 people. All of those people, 330 are air traffic controllers. Damn. That's all that got.
Danny:And then Trump said that we were not patriotic because we didn't come to work when we were supposed to. And I was like, oh.
Tyler:I Two things I have
Danny:to tell my wife this. So I said, there was a $10,000 bonus. My wife was like, oh, that means you got it. Yeah. And I was like, no.
Danny:I took two days off. Remember? And I could see on her face that she was like, you dumbass. Dumbass. And then she was like, it's okay.
Danny:It's okay. We didn't need it anyways. And I could see like, it was like, goddamn it. And then couple hours later, she's like, you know what? Fuck that.
Danny:It's fine. Yeah. It's bullshit. This is bullshit. This is bullshit.
Danny:And that's a bullshit ploy. And I'm proud of you for who you are. Yeah. And it it helped. But it I could still hear I could still see her, like, sting of, like, goddamn it.
Danny:That would have paid off a bunch of stuff that we would have been happy about, you know? Yeah. And then you go, what's your time worth? You know? Yeah.
Danny:It's worth more than $10,000. Yeah. And, yeah, it was a rough week last
Tyler:But that asshole called you unpatriotic. Patriotic. Motherfat orange motherfucker.
Danny:I know. And I was like, fuck you. Had no idea. You didn't serve? Yeah.
Danny:You didn't serve your country? Cocksucker. Yeah. Yeah. You know?
Danny:Look at my family history. Look at my family wall. Yeah. Everybody served in the military.
Tyler:That is you got a a son currently serving.
Danny:Yeah. So then you go, like you said, when you when you look at these things that we've been through, right, and for all intents and purposes, our friendship wasn't faded. No. Our outside world wasn't faded. We weren't looking at this kind of a thing, you know.
Danny:People don't people don't see me and go, Danny's miserable. Yeah. I wouldn't even say that people don't look at you and go, Tyler's miserable. I think people go, Tyler's in a moment, you know, he's got he's got an he's got something that he's dealing with.
Tyler:Oh, I I am I wear my I wear my feelings on my sleeve. No. That just comes from, yeah, growing up with my my yeah, my mom. I love her to death. But yeah.
Tyler:Well, I
Danny:I I think I do too. Yeah. Professors told me before that he's like, you know you know you know instantly what you're what mood you're in. Yeah. Zach pissed me off tonight.
Danny:Oh, yeah. Blue belt Zach.
Tyler:Wait. He's purple belt Zach now.
Danny:No. No. No. It's blue belt Zach. The the
Tyler:Oh, Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. The other Zach. Yeah.
Tyler:The new new one. Yeah.
Danny:The one that just came back to us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So tell tell us, you you had a doctor's appointment.
Danny:Yeah. Did you get results already?
Tyler:I mean, there's still there's still one it's like the PCMA RMA test. It's like the most it's the one where they drill into my hip, they take my bone marrow.
Danny:Wait, you did that last week though?
Tyler:I had the test done. On the November 14, they pulled the port, they did a spinal tap, and they they take they did this.
Danny:You don't have the results from that yet?
Tyler:It takes about two weeks. She was pretty shocked. My my doctor was pretty shocked. We didn't have it today. She said expect a call.
Tyler:The last one I had was negative. The blood counts looked negative. So there's no there's no reason to think that it would something magical would show up.
Danny:When we were training on Sunday? No. We were training on that day that we I felt like I was like, oh, man, his energy is insane. Yeah. What day was that?
Danny:Would have been Friday after Thanksgiving. Oh, that was Friday.
Tyler:It was Saturday because I worked a double at the rink that day.
Danny:Was
Tyler:it? Yeah. It was Saturday because I missed Friday. I I my body was just beat. After training on Thanksgiving, Riley and I did six miles.
Tyler:And then
Danny:I remember the first time we trained, dude. And I was like, holy fuck, Tyler. Oh my god. And I was like, well, I think either we need to fight, like, punch each other because we're mad at each other or just fucking go hard. Yeah.
Danny:The one time we were training and I was like, remembered your port. And I was like, I hope this fucking hurts his chest. And I was like, all I can imagine is like you standing up and being like, that's right, motherfucker. You didn't do anything and you're like blood coming out of your port, dude. It's I mean It's closed all the way?
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what's weird is that, like, even a few weeks ago, yeah, I could feel kind of like a pocket where the skin kind of just needs to needed to rego. Like, it was like, I don't know, like your kneecap. Like, when your kneecap's down, you can kind of like, you got that extra little.
Tyler:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of how it felt here.
Tyler:You know, there's like a little extra pocket. But now it's kind of like the muscle and the fat and tissues are kind of growing back together. So it's like a little bit more
Danny:I was surprised at your durability and your strength. You've you've you're always strong in, certain areas, especially like if you make a if you make a grip like Dave or and you're able to, like, turn, like, you're able to steer me in a direction where I I can't recover, You grab me one time and like you like turned me and I was like, goddamn it. Here it comes because usually, like, you're able to come to the top. And I remember, like, thinking fight like a motherfucker, Danny. Don't get put right here because if he comes to the top, he's going to fucking kill you.
Danny:And I think we got into like this, like, stopped for a second and I was like, holy shit. Yeah. It was even that day, like, was other people that had like some energy that was like, woah. Yeah. Must have been like holidays and just whatever we were carrying into it because
Tyler:You know? Yeah.
Danny:You know what was cool though is like, you had to leave early. Yeah. And I even when you left, I was like, oh, he's in a better mood when he left. And I was like, oh, that's what you want. Yeah.
Danny:That's what I I want. This platform, my jujitsu, my friendships to always be like, yeah. We yeah. This is life. This is life, what's happening.
Danny:I tell people when they they're like, how you do a podcast? I'm like, yeah, but you need to listen from day one to now and you're going to see life in all of its forms. Yeah. Because there's so much that we've lived through. There's so much that we've been a part of.
Danny:And it feels like I've known you my entire life.
Tyler:It's a good feeling.
Danny:It's a
Tyler:good it's a good feeling. I love having not just Danny, but all of the Yocanos in my in my in my corner, and
Danny:I feel
Tyler:it. I'm always excited for the holidays at the Yocanos because Misty is one of the best cooks I've ever
Danny:All Spanish speakers this year.
Tyler:All Spanish speakers.
Danny:No. Well, besides you and me and Misty. We're gonna I got
Tyler:my kids this year. So
Danny:Everybody come over.
Tyler:Alright. We'll figure it out. We got some games.
Danny:We'd love
Tyler:to we'd love to contribute and
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. What's next? Where do we take this next? Because I feel like this last three I mean, we've been doing this. This will be going into year three.
Tyler:Where do you want to take this? Where do where do you see this going? I see, like I said, I see us kind of going back to some of our I'd love to cover books. I'd love to maybe get back to our roots. Some ways, I'd love to cut some of the fat, you know, I'd like to be more purposeful and have more clarity.
Tyler:And I think why this works is because a lot of times we are just off the cuff. We're very raw and real with each other. But I also think that there's some benefit to having a little bit of structure like where do you where do you see this going and and what's new? And and I'm and I'm prefacing this because one, I want this to be the last episode of the year that we we launch for a couple reasons. One, I think both of us need the time to kind of just regroup and refocus given all that we've gone through and just enjoy the holidays.
Tyler:Yeah. Enjoy each other.
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:And and and come back with, okay, you know, whatever day we we choose to come back, we're gonna come out we're gonna come out with that same fucking energy we had in that training round because we know that that there are men out there who are who are choosing to opt out. They're opting out every day. Every day they're opting out.
Danny:Well, you and I wouldn't like that like that is we'll always we have that ability to bump fist, fight, and be like, cool. We're good. Yeah. I'm good. I see us doing one more episode before the end of the year.
Danny:Okay. I see us having a direction of reinvention because of what we just went through this last little while and being lost is completely fine. And we said that being lost is completely fine. It's not lost like I can't find my way. No.
Danny:Yeah. It's lost. I don't know my way. Yeah. Because I don't know what I know.
Danny:I I truly don't know. I don't know what I wanna get back to books. Yeah. I've been I I told you today, I've been listening to Scar Tissue. Okay.
Danny:Anthony Kiedis' biography. It's a little pompous. It's a little it's a little grandiose Yeah. Of his world, you know. There's a couple times I'm I'm interested to see if you're if you take have the same take where you're like, did you get everybody's permission on this?
Danny:Yeah. Does everybody know that you just fucking said this? Yeah. You know, it's funny because I see people in our academy sometimes say things and I'm like, did you get somebody's permission before you fucking said that? You know?
Danny:And I think that some people just, like, have that ability to be like, no, I'm gonna say it. Whatever I think. My son is one of them, Tristan. He says things and I'm like, woah, I would never say that. But he gets away with it, says things and I'm like, holy fuck.
Danny:That probably would come if I said that,
Tyler:it would
Danny:come over such weird. Right? Yeah. I'm interested to hear other people's takes on it. Like you said, books, more of of acceptance.
Danny:Acceptance and understanding that, like, we're not we don't have this figured out. Oh. Man, maybe we just got fucking promoted to Blue Belt. Yeah. Yeah.
Danny:You know, maybe maybe we just maybe our ability is we like we just got promoted to Blue Belt of of like, holy fuck. We had like, we know how to podcast. Yeah. We know how to talk to each other. We could sit here and do this all day, every day.
Danny:Yeah. No. Yes. Without missing a beat. Yeah.
Danny:And we may come off as like we know what we're doing. Yeah. Yeah. You know? No.
Danny:And it's it's Maybe it's a promotion.
Tyler:It yeah. I yeah. It's a promotion. That's a good way to look at it. I like that insight.
Tyler:I think it is an insight. I'm excited. I'm excited for for what is to come. I felt like we were we were at a precipice, right? Where this is either going to it's going to drastically change.
Tyler:Think it's gonna drastically change no matter what. Right? Like it's gonna because we are a blue belt. We're speaking the podcast language. We know
Danny:We know how to do it.
Tyler:We know how to do it. We know what we wanna get done. You know, we have we have some specific goals in mind, you know, it very easily could have just said, we could have just said, yeah, let's let's retire this. Right? The incline where there was we were both climbing an incline.
Tyler:You were on your path, I was on my path and the incline was steep. Sure. And and and, you know, now we've made it to we've made it to this little ledge and we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna rest and we're gonna retool and and we've got some great we've got some great energy and great things are gonna come.
Danny:We do have good people around us because I still would like to go back to interviewing people, getting insight from other men Yeah. Of how man, we have so many people. We have so many eclectic people around our lives that are going through some things, good, bad, indifferent, and struggles that men go through that that they're told that the struggle is supposed to be masked. Right? And supposed to be shut up.
Danny:Tie your boots. Yeah. Put your boots on. Yeah. Go all through shit.
Danny:Yeah. And smile about it. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
Danny:And I still think that what we bring and what our ideas are is still genuine. Yeah. I do think that the last two podcasts that we did were, like, were were contrived.
Tyler:I mean, they were it was doctor Jekyll and and mister Hyde. I I the one thing I will promote is I am I am building my Substack. I have I have been writing very specifically I don't like substack. In in Substack.
Danny:You had you don't? I don't like it because I got I got a weird one the day. I got a weird one the day from Substack. And I don't know what the fuck I've never I've never subscribed to Substack except for yours. Right?
Danny:Mhmm. This one was I'm a cuck. Cuck? Cuck?
Tyler:Cuck.
Danny:Cuck? Is that the guy that watches? Yeah. For my wife and son. And I was like, what?
Tyler:Yeah. It it is
Danny:Is there so let me ask you this. How would that have shown up on my in my email?
Tyler:That is a good question.
Danny:I'm I
Tyler:don't don't I don't know.
Danny:I was like, what the fuck? And so sorry. I'm swearing a lot today because It's I'm on we we did have some I did have some hard training rounds. I'm not gonna lie. I'm just kinda thinking about them.
Danny:Yeah. I'm kinda thinking about some training rounds that I had that I was like, oh, that person got me today.
Tyler:I mean, some days you're the hammer, sometimes you're some days you're the nail.
Danny:I have a guy at work that says funny things like that.
Tyler:I I I don't know. I mean, I think Substack is interesting in the sense that you can you obviously, it's it is a way it it is social media without the ads. Right? You should be subscribing to what is what what you're interested in and and you really shouldn't be getting suggestions. I've never gotten a suggestion like that.
Danny:It was so weird. It was the first thing I seen this morning. And honestly, I was like, woah, what in the world? So the first one says, sexual depravity of Amerindians. And I was like, what in the world?
Danny:It's gone. But it it said I'm a cuck. Is that is that am I saying that wrong?
Tyler:I I well, one, I'm not in that I'm not in that sphere, but I do Cuckold? Cuckold is the is the term I've heard.
Danny:C u c k? Yeah. I'm a cuck for my son and wife, and I was like, oh. I did click it.
Tyler:I mean, how could you not? That got me.
Danny:I'm a fucking I'm a yeah. I'm I'm still at the end of the day a pervert. And it was like, I just took a shower with my son and I was like, ah. Dude,
Tyler:like, okay. Too much. I'm looking
Danny:I'm thinking about it.
Tyler:I mean, how could you not? How could you not?
Danny:I clicked that dude. I was so I was so perverted.
Tyler:You know, mean, I think these are to me, these these are real people writing real stories. Right? It's it's it's
Danny:That's not AI?
Tyler:Well, mean, people could be using AI. You know what I mean? I I don't think it's any more AI than what is going through Facebook right now. I think Facebook is predominantly just bots and AI anymore. I don't think that it's like real don't think it's real social connection anymore.
Tyler:Yeah. Which is weird because I only have Facebook because I the marketplace is is insane.
Danny:Oh, I hate that place.
Tyler:I know. But you I
Danny:get trapped in that.
Tyler:You can buy you can buy and you can find so much crazy shit on Facebook marketplace. Back to Substack. Back to Substack. Yes. There's I mean mad.
Tyler:It does if I were to say, like, Twitter Twitter is right, Substack would be probably a little bit left. Oh. But I don't I don't know. I mean, I don't prescribe to those kind of politics. I'm kind of I've always kind of been very punk rock when it comes to my politics.
Tyler:Yeah. You know what I mean? Eat the rich and, you know, whatever. Like, I have I have some some weird political ideas and and in and of myself and I don't really prescribe to any one party. But
Danny:Me either.
Tyler:I mean, I I think any more now, like I was
Danny:so fucking mad at Trump when he said that shit.
Tyler:I I I don't blame you. Sucker. I don't blame you. And, like, in your heart of hearts, you're kind of like, well, yeah, this is what everybody was warning us about. Right?
Tyler:Like
Danny:I do. Then he said some things that I'm like, I'll kinda agree with you. Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler:Yeah. Yeah. And I mean
Danny:but then I was like, the sub stack is there are some articles that I've read before, maybe that's the problem Yeah. Is that I've clicked on other people's other people's things before. And I was like, oh, the art the the yours you know, I of course, I read yours. Yeah. But then other people, you know, I I I do that.
Danny:I've read. But but podcasts like, you know, like I I've been on podcasts before searching and searching and searching going down a rabbit hole.
Tyler:Yeah.
Danny:And it doesn't like bring me it doesn't give me this is what I think you should listen to. But maybe it's because I don't know how to like navigate that world.
Tyler:When I I I think too, depending on where you get your podcasts right, specifically with Substack, right, they are a toast they're social media. And the goal of social media is not social. It's about spending time in their app. So they're gonna continually suggest things that they think are interesting to you. So there's still there's still an algorithm there.
Tyler:But what I like about Substack is that like, I have built a feed of just the stuff that I want to I mean, I I probably subscribed to like five or six things and that's it. That's it. Like, I don't spend a
Danny:lot of prescribed to somebody that's perverted?
Tyler:I mean, I've definitely read some weird perverted stuff out there. You know, I've I've I'm I'm a voyeur of all of the same. I think I I can appreciate good writing and I'm as I'm trying to make my writing better and more descriptive, like, there are some some some areas of where I've spent time that I'm like, oh, I can't believe I read that. And, know, I there are some some areas where I won't even touch. I won't even touch.
Tyler:There's a lot of because it's it in Substack, you can do one of three things. You can do a video post, you can do a text post, or you can do a combination. And you can you can publish your your podcast through there. So I do have a link out in my Substack to this podcast.
Danny:To ours? Yeah. Oh, okay.
Tyler:So all of our podcasts. And it's just a way for me. It's a way for me as as I'm as I'm building and I have I have a goal to to write a book, I think that's what I kind of want to turn my sub sack into. It's a way for me to just kind of put some ideas out there and then potentially, I hate to say it, but I am going to try to monetize as I move more towards building a therapy practice, some of these things that I've experienced. So, you know, for a small fee people can get a little bit more exclusive content.
Tyler:Right? But this podcast for now is always gonna be this podcast and and, you know, Substack will be some amalgamation of of what we do here. But I I like to I like the I like I like what we share here. I like it that there's there's zero, like there's no there's no paywall. Yeah.
Tyler:You know what mean? We're we're, you know, we'd love some sponsors like
Danny:Yeah.
Tyler:Give us some money to to to
Danny:to show
Tyler:people we're made of. Yeah. Know, we'd we'd love to hype people up. We'd love to hype people up that especially products we care about and and we know people that are doing good things out there. We have good friends that are out there doing cool things.
Danny:I
Tyler:agree. And we wanna we want to use this platform to share what they're doing as well. I agree.
Danny:Yeah. I I think that like going forward, I would like to do one more, like put some effort into not just come here and bullshit, like put in some like what you used to do, like Yeah. Put some ideas out there just to wrap up the year. Maybe do it right before the end of the year, maybe like around the twenty seventh, twenty eighth. Yeah.
Danny:Because my wife will be out of town and I'll have plenty of time. Cool. That'll be right before that'll be one week before, you know, I'll have one week. I love what she's doing.
Tyler:She just wants to be anywhere but here.
Danny:Right. That'll be one week before, like, my my official retirement date. So give me some idea. It'll give me some ability to to decompress and also get out of my mind Yeah. Of the fears that I have.
Danny:But reinvention, fear, lost, you know, pseudo selves, what we did, like our names, like all of those things that we had going on. Yeah. You're right. Like going back to that, starting back, remembering what the what the thought process of this was because we literally can sit here, talk about other shit and still capture an audience that that is of need of this. Because I do believe that like, it's like every other business, right?
Danny:That three to five years is where we're at right now. Is that growth and the monetization? If you make it past that, then I mean, we're gonna be rolling in dough.
Tyler:Give me that Joe Rogan money.
Danny:And somebody's gonna hear us and go, holy shit. I I can resonate with this. And I think people, like, resonate with us a lot, especially lately because I think people still go, how's Tyler doing? Yeah. How's how's cancer?
Danny:How's this? Yeah. How's that? How's how's Danny doing?
